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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    A few things:

    1. There is far more that is reprehensible about Putin than his use of gays as a political scape goat. Ignore them or not, it makes you an admirer of a Fascist.

    2. Eventually homosexuality, and gay marriage will be legalized the world over. Whether or not you reconcile yourself to the winds of this cultural battle is irrelevant.

    3. No one said Obama was the boss of Russia. We sent a specially selected envoy to voice our displeasure. You responded with admiration of Putin a man who has murdered journalists, imprisoned democracy activists, and crushed protesters.
    1. Maybe you should pressure your president to skip the games altogether if Russian policies are so bad.

    2. The incidence of AIDS is growing worldwide, so you could be right. Gayness certainly seems to be spreading... so to speak.

    3. Because of Obama, millions of American families are suffering right now. Using your logic, if you support Obama, you support Americans suffering at his hand.

    Same, same.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think you might be reading things into my argument with the "since you have issues with homosexuality." Things like race, religion, sexual orientation and others shouldn't be considered when it comes to such kind of appointments and delegations. If they were picked despite being gay that's fine, but if they was picked because they were gay or had that as a positive factor in the selection then that is wrong.
    No, it's not. It's perfectly okay for the President to send a delegation of LGBT Americans to represent the nation as a point of disapproval of Russia's anti-LGBT laws. Sending the message that LGBT people should not have to hide who they are and that there is nothing wrong with them. This is a great diplomatic move.
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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So by that measure, had we put Black or Jewish athletes or former Olympians on the delegation to the Munich games as a message against the Nazi Regimes policies....that'd be bad to you?

    Or if we had an Olympics in Saudi Arabia, if we chose some Female athletes and former olympians for the delegation to represent our disagreements with the Saudi Governments treatement of women...that'd be bad to you?

    Mind you, not the athletes competing, but the diplomatic delegations sent to the games.
    Don't forget some nations tolerate men who believe they're woman to compete with woman...

    I don't care if they feel like "woman" they're still built as men - their center of gravity is a lot different - and that matters in most events.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Every Western country should have a gay Olympian carry the national flag in the opening procession.
    Why? Why is being gay so important to anyone?

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Smartmouthwoman View Post
    1. Maybe you should pressure your president to skip the games altogether if Russian policies are so bad.
    We shouldn't punish all of the athletes over a political issue imho. Not attending the games would do that. If you mean the President himself skipping, he is.

    2. The incidence of AIDS is growing worldwide, so you could be right. Gayness certainly seems to be spreading... so to speak.
    AIDS is not directly connected to Homosexuality, so this is a non-sensical statement.

    3. Because of Obama, millions of American families are suffering right now. Using your logic, if you support Obama, you support Americans suffering at his hand.
    That doesn't follow the same logic at all. He's not stating things that are going bad in Russia while Putin is President...he's pointing out SPECIFIC actions his government has undertaken.

    IF you wanted to go the route of trying to compare Obama to Putin in that logic, and using your obvious world view as to how things appear, it'd be more appropriate to say that using his logic, if you support Obama, you support limiting peoples choices regarding Health Care, forcing inclusion into the military, and excusing people who violate our laws in being in this country.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Why? Why is being gay so important to anyone?
    I think gay is just a safety measure or standard.

    I think the real issue is transsexuals.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Don't forget some nations tolerate men who believe they're woman to compete with woman...

    I don't care if they feel like "woman" they're still built as men - their center of gravity is a lot different - and that matters in most events.
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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    This is a great diplomatic move.
    Eh, I wouldn't call it a "great" diplomatic move.

    It was blatantly clear before this that the Obama Administration disagreed with the Russian Policy and was much more accomodating to Homosexuality than Russia. So its not like it sent some kind of "message" that wasn't already blatantly clear. It definitely doesn't HELP relations between the US and Russia which have been questionable to say the least lately. DIPLOMATICALLY, it's a throw away move that has mild arguments either way in terms of it being good or even poor.

    You could say it's a great DOMESTICALLY political move, in terms of throwing a bone to the LGBT community here in the United States to attempt to keep them motivated and happy as we move into an election year coinciding with said olympics.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by crue cab View Post
    really? I don't see the world condemning him on snowden.


    why should the world condemn Putin over Snowden?



    Snowden is the USA's problem, not the world's problem

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Oh my god. This fascist authoritarian chic on the right has to stop. If you admire Putin you are not a conservative, you are an authoritarian ideologue.
    I don't know any Americans who admire Putin, just Americans who wished Obama had a pair and wasn't the second most powerful man in the world but the most powerful man in the world.

    Barack Obama is incompetent. His foreign policies have been a complete failure. He plays checkers while the rest of the worlds leaders play chess.

    If you naysayers still want to defend a narcissist failure and want America to become second rate like the Obama administration, why not do the majority of Americans a favor and vacate the premises. You people had your chance and blew it big time. How long and how much will it cost to repair the damages this community activest has caused ?

    A community activist ?

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