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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    If that happens, the world will condemn Russia (except for some backward theocracies that no one cares about).

    Putin knows he can't do anything, he is checkmated.
    Really? I don't see the world condemning him on Snowden.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Hell yea!
    Give Putin the diplomatic middle finger!
    Love this move Obama! Great move! [/FONT][/COLOR]
    I just think Obama enjoys ribbing Putin...

    I don't like either one - it seems they're in some pseudo-socialist competition, or are competing with one another on who the worlds real dictator is.

    It's like Stalin and Hitler with those guys...

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I'm astonished at the fallacy being committed. I don't admire India for criminalizing homosexuality anymore than I admire Assad for being an autocrat. You said you admire Putin--if so then you admire an autocrat with the blood of journalists, democratic activists, and his fellow citizens on his hands. That is atrocious and unworthy of a lover of liberty.
    Outrage of the month club.

    Sorry, all this hand wringing is just losing its effectiveness. If homosexuality was legalized in Russia today, gays would be picketing Putin for gay marriage tomorrow.

    There has to be a point when we respect our differences. Its really not a small world... and we're really not the boss of everybody.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Ummm...good for Obama...I guess.

    I could care less about the Olympics.

    It started out as a venue for the nation's best amateur athletes to show their stuff on an international stage.

    Now it's just an international urinating contest to see who can spend the most taxpayer dollars on some bloated, gigantic Olympic infrastructure so a bunch of drugged up athletes can compete in a bunch of sports for a couple weeks every four years.

    And when it's over, those taxpayers are usually left with a gigantic, whopping bill.

    Complete waste of time.

    Either run it like the '84 Olympics (at a profit) or leave my tax dollars out of it completely.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think you might be reading things into my argument with the "since you have issues with homosexuality." Things like race, religion, sexual orientation and others shouldn't be considered when it comes to such kind of appointments and delegations. If they were picked despite being gay that's fine, but if they was picked because they were gay or had that as a positive factor in the selection then that is wrong.
    So by that measure, had we put Black or Jewish athletes or former Olympians on the delegation to the Munich games as a message against the Nazi Regimes policies....that'd be bad to you?

    Or if we had an Olympics in Saudi Arabia, if we chose some Female athletes and former olympians for the delegation to represent our disagreements with the Saudi Governments treatement of women...that'd be bad to you?

    Mind you, not the athletes competing, but the diplomatic delegations sent to the games.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Smartmouthwoman View Post
    Outrage of the month club.

    Sorry, all this hand wringing is just losing its effectiveness. If homosexuality was legalized in Russia today, gays would be picketing Putin for gay marriage tomorrow.

    There has to be a point when we respect our differences. Its really not a small world... and we're really not the boss of everybody.
    A few things:

    1. There is far more that is reprehensible about Putin than his use of gays as a political scape goat. Ignore them or not, it makes you an admirer of a Fascist.

    2. Eventually homosexuality, and gay marriage will be legalized the world over. Whether or not you reconcile yourself to the winds of this cultural battle is irrelevant.

    3. No one said Obama was the boss of Russia. We sent a specially selected envoy to voice our displeasure. You responded with admiration of Putin a man who has murdered journalists, imprisoned democracy activists, and crushed protesters.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    These are always deceiving complicated questions in my experience.

    But off the cuff, when I read the names in the OP for the delegates, I know them all by name and reputation, and I find it strange to think that I know them by name when I don't even pay attention to sports in general, yet they are appointed *because* they are gay. Aren't they well known as both individual achievers in those sports as well as having maintained very prominent roles in promoting those sports? As long as it's not the only reason, and it's not some hard rule in general, I don't see the issue. Civil rights to me is more about flat out rejection because of sex/race/religion than it is about those being factored in as part of a whole analysis. And that's likely a bad interpretation, but there it is.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Really? I don't see the world condemning him on Snowden.
    Umm... X =/= Z. You aren't even comparing apples to oranges, you are comparing apples to cars.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Hell yea!
    Give Putin the diplomatic middle finger!
    Love this move Obama! Great move! [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Every Western country should have a gay Olympian carry the national flag in the opening procession.

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    Re: Obama Jabs Putin, Picks Openly Gay Delegates For Winter Olympics In Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Discrimination is ok, sometimes?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Right, and discriminating against heterosexuals is now acceptable because of all the homosexual discrimination in the past. Two wrongs obviously make a right.
    Is that what I said? No, it's not. The point I was making is this is no more discrimination than it's discrimination for the other 7 delegates to not be openly gay.

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