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    Re: Florida School Named After KKK Grand Wizard Will Get New Name

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yeah, when the LIBERALS and MODERATES put a knife in the heart of CONSERVATIVE Southern racist hegemony ......

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    Re: Florida School Named After KKK Grand Wizard Will Get New Name

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    All good Republicans now. Or more probably Tea Party racists. The black girl? I'm guessing she's a Democrat who voted for Barack Obama.
    No, the violent racist Democrats all stuck with the Democratic party because they were the party pushing sterilization and abortion mills in black neighborhoods. Planned Parenthood and the KKK share a lot of the same ideology.
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    Re: Florida School Named After KKK Grand Wizard Will Get New Name

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
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    No, you broke it. Modern liberals tend to be the more violent faction in America, and the hard core racists of the Southern Democrats statyed Democrat because that was the party that believed that minorities should have fewer babies.

    You folks have a REALLY hard time explaining why it would make sense for racist Southern Democrats in the 1960s to defect to the party that pushed for Civil rights and away from the Party that opposed it. You like to throw around the "Southern Strategy" all the time but ignore how mind numbingly illogical it is to believe that Democrats would jump to the party that pushed for civil rights for racist reasons. The theory makes absolutely no sense. The hard core racists stayed Democrat and pushed their ideology under the guise of "reproductive rights" knowing full well that the end result of their policy would be to suppress the population growth of the black minority which had, until that time, been growing far faster than the white population.

    The Democrats were quite successful too! They not only ensured that blacks would remain a minority in the US, but their nanny state welfare system ended up buying the minority vote to boot while destroying the black family! It was a brilliant strategy by the racist Southern Democrats to couch their continual undermining of black progress as welfare.

    Also, a "moderate" is really just someone whose ideology falls between two more defined ideologies and is essentially meaningless. A person who is pro-choice and pro-death-penalty and someone else who is pro-life and anti-death-penalty are both "moderate" but share no common ideology.
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    Re: Florida School Named After KKK Grand Wizard Will Get New Name

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    "I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
    Your point being what? Lincoln was the Great Emancipator and also determined to hold the union together. This will be hard for you to believe, but that quote was probably considered progressive for its day.
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    Re: Florida School Named After KKK Grand Wizard Will Get New Name

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Nope. Not too much work at all. I love reading that kind of thing and have studied it for years. I am well familiar with Fort Pillow. YOU ARE NOT. If you were you wouldn't be making ignorant statements that you can't support. Forrest didn't murder POWs because they happened to be black. Prove it. Source it out to me or stay under the porch and yap like a little dog.

    Forrest was NOT a founder of the KKK.
    Wrong on both counts. He was as despicable a figure as ever to be 'honored' by part of this nation. A total scumbag from beginning to end. Deny Fort Pillow all you want. Black Union troops were murdered after they surrendered, and Forrest was responsible. You confederate wannabee's never give up, do you?
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    Re: Florida School Named After KKK Grand Wizard Will Get New Name

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Wrong on both counts. He was as despicable a figure as ever to be 'honored' by part of this nation. A total scumbag from beginning to end. Deny Fort Pillow all you want. Black Union troops were murdered after they surrendered, and Forrest was responsible. You confederate wannabee's never give up, do you?
    Wrong on both counts? Source your positions.










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    Re: Florida School Named After KKK Grand Wizard Will Get New Name

    I guess the athletic teams will no longer be known as the Night Riders!!



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    Re: Florida School Named After KKK Grand Wizard Will Get New Name

    So I see people have found yet another reason to argue with each other in life...like we have not got enough things as it is.

    Like anyone's lives are going to be ruined because of the name of their local school.

    Jeez...just have a poll in the local paper, have the masses pick/keep the name and move on.

    Then the masses can start arguing about some other nonsensical thing.

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    Re: Florida School Named After KKK Grand Wizard Will Get New Name

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    1. You folks have a REALLY hard time explaining why it would make sense for racist Southern Democrats in the 1960s to defect to the party that pushed for Civil rights and away from the Party that opposed it...2. The hard core racists stayed Democrat and pushed their ideology under the guise of "reproductive rights" knowing full well that the end result of their policy would be to suppress the population growth of the black minority which had, until that time, been growing far faster than the white population....
    1. It made sense to these politicians:
    Claude R. Kirk, Jr. In 1960, Kirk switched his party affiliation from Democrat to Republican and headed the "Floridians for Nixon" campaign, which helped the GOP to win the state's then ten electoral votes for the third consecutive time.

    Charlton Lyons-Lyons officially switched to the Republican Party in 1960,[8] when he supported Richard M. Nixon for the presidency, rather than the Democrat John F. Kennedy. Lyons is best known for his gubernatorial campaign waged in the winter of 1964, running as a strong segregationist.

    James Douglas Martin- Originally a conservative Democrat, Martin joined the GOP to challenge the reelection in 1962 of Senator Joseph Lister Hill.

    Floyd Spence- After law school, Spence was soon elected as a Democrat to represent Lexington County in the South Carolina House of Representatives. He was reelected in 1958 and 1960, but on April 14, 1962, Spence announced that he was switching to the Republican Party, having become uncomfortable with the national Democrats' increasingly liberal platform.


    Rubel Phillips- Previously, as a Democrat, Phillips was a circuit court clerk in Alcorn County in northeastern Mississippi and a member and chairman of the Mississippi Public Service Commission from 1956 to 1959. By 1963, he had switched parties to become only the third Republican since 1877 to seek his state's governorship. Phillips ran on the slogan of "K.O. the Kennedys"

    Howard Callaway- Like most southerners at the time, Callaway grew up as a supporter of the Democratic Party. In 1964, however, he ran as a "Goldwater Republican" for a seat in the House of Representatives from Georgia's 3rd congressional district.

    Charles W. Pickering- Active in the early 1960s in the Democratic Party, Pickering switched affiliation in 1964 to the Mississippi Republican Party. He said at the time that "the people of [Mississippi] were heaped with humiliation and embarrassment at the Democratic Convention" in Atlantic City, New Jersey, after the national party seated two civil rights activists from the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party with the all-white delegation that Pickering had supported. Along with other disaffected Democrats, Pickering played a key role in building the Republican Party in Mississippi in the ensuing years.[1][2]

    Strom Thurmond Thurmond- represented South Carolina in the United States Senate from 1954 until 2003, at first as a Democrat and, after 1964, as a Republican. He switched because of his opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act, disaffection with the liberalism of the national party, and his support for the conservatism and opposition to the Civil Rights bill of the Republican presidential candidate Senator Barry
    Goldwater.[2][

    Albert Watson-.... the House Democratic Caucus stripped Watson, along with Congressman John Bell Williams of Mississippi, of his seniority for supporting Barry Goldwater. Watson then resigned from Congress on February 1, 1965, and sought his former position as a Republican in a special election held on June 15, 1965. Watson won the special election with 69 percent of the vote to become the first Republican to represent South Carolina in the House since 1896, and the first to win an undisputed House election in the state since Reconstruction. He was comfortably reelected in 1966 and 1968. Watson's opposition to civil rights legislation exceeded that of most other Southern Republicans, but was normal for Southern Democrats.

    Marshall Parker-..elected as a Democrat to the South Carolina State Senate, ...In 1966, Parker switched to Republican affiliation to run for the U.S. Senate.

    Jesse Helms- An unreconstructed Southern conservative, he began his political career in the Democratic Party in the days when many white Southern politicians championed racial segregation and most blacks were disfranchised. He moved to the Republican party in the 1970s. Helms was the most stridently conservative politician of the post-1960s era,[4] especially in opposition to federal intervention into what he considered state affairs (integration, the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act). Helms conducted a 16-day filibuster to stop the Senate from approving a federal holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr.
    Name these southern racist democrats who became active in the reproductive rights movement.

    Will Reid Wilson, Sr.- (July 29, 1912 December 14, 2005)[1] was a prominent Democratic politician in his native Texas best known for his service as attorney general of Texas from 1957-1963. In 1968, he joined the Republican Party to support the election of Richard M. Nixon as U.S. President.

    Henry Cushing Grover- (April 1, 1927 November 28, 2005), usually known as Hank Grover, was a conservative politician from the U.S. state of Texas...Grover was elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1960, 1962, and 1964 as a Democrat. In 1966, he switched parties and was elected to the District 15 of the Texas State Senate.

    Jerry Kreth Thomasson- (October 17, 1931 April 29, 2007) was a Democratic member of the Arkansas House of Representatives, who in 1966 switched to the Republican Party and ran unsuccessfully for attorney general in 1966 and 1968 on the ticket of Winthrop Rockefeller.

    Chester Trent Lott, Sr.- (born October 9, 1941) is a former United States Senator from Mississippi, who served in numerous leadership positions in both the United States House of Representatives and the Senate. He entered Congress as one of the first of a wave of Republicans winning seats in Southern states that had been solidly Democratic. He became Senate Majority Leader, then fell from power after praising Strom Thurmond's 1948 segregationist Dixiecrat presidential bid.... Lott led the effort at the 1962 national convention of the Sigma Nu fraternity to defeat the Civil Rights era amendment proposed by the Stanford and Brown University chapters to end mandatory racial exclusion by the fraternity...In 1972, Colmer, one of the most conservative Democrats in the House, announced his retirement after 40 years in Congress. He endorsed Lott as his successor in Mississippi's 5th District, located in the state's southwestern tip, even though Lott ran as a Republican.

    Many more are on the list at Party switching in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    2. Name these racist southern democrats who later became proponents of reproductive rights. Why is it that southern states were not among the first to legalize abortion?
    1967: Colorado is the first state to liberalize its abortion laws.

    1970: Alaska, Hawaii, New York, and Washington liberalize abortion laws, making abortion available at the request of a woman and her doctor.

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    Re: Florida School Named After KKK Grand Wizard Will Get New Name

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
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    From this link.

    2) Forrest was not the founder of the KKK, but he was it's first Grand Dragon.

    3) The only reason Forrest disbanded the Klan is because the Federal government was about to pass the Ku Klux Klan act, which would have removed habeus corpus for Klan members. Forrest was a dedicated terrorist.
    Forrest was the first Grand Dragon. He accepted the position with great reluctance. Within a year after seeing what the KKK was becoming, Forrest disbanded it. Few people seem to know or want to recognize that. There is quite a bit of information regarding Forrest and his experience with the KKK. In my experience, few people know about it. Apdst is one of the few who does seem to know Forrest's history with the KKK. Everyone else simply parrots what has been cherry picked.

    I don't know that the full truth of Fort Pillow will ever be known and/or accepted. Once again, most people parrot what has been cherry picked by others. Here's what isn't generally known there was a larger percentage of African-Americans at Fort Pillow than would regularly be found in similar forts. That fact alone means that a significant percentage of dead and wounded would be African-American. Had the same incident occurred with all white defenders we wouldn't be talking about it. Few doubt the incompetency of the Yankee command.

    Even knowing Forrest was in the area Ft. Pillow C.O. Maj. Bradford put out open barrels of whiskey for his troops the night before.
    Booth was either very confident or very careless. Although there had been numerous sightings of Forrest and his men in the area, the Union major airily reported that things were quiet for 30 or 40 miles around Fort Pillow. 'I think it perfectly safe,' he assured Maj. Gen. Stephen Hurlburt in Memphis. Furthermore, Booth believed that he could 'hold the post against any force for forty-eight hours.' Events would soon prove him wrong on both counts.
    Once the battle began there was chaos on the Yankee side. The Yankees, panicked and drunk, stumbled over each other while running for cover. Bradfort was reported by more than one Yankee soldier as screaming "Save yourselves" or words to that effect. Point being there was no organized defense. It is important to note that due to the ineptitude of the Yankee command, it was never ordered that the US flag be taken down - which was a standard signal of surrender. That added to the confusion.

    Now, to back up a bit, Maj. Bradford and Maj. Booth of Ft. Pillow did at least plan for some type of defensive maneuver the day before. Someone ordered that small caches of guns and ammunition would be placed on the hill sloping down toward the river where the Yankee gunboats were. The idea being that a retreat to the gunboats could be aided by guns and ammunition.

    Back to the cluster**** defense of Fort Pillow. Earlier when the Yankees discovered the Fort Pillow pickets had been easily compromised Bradfort or Booth order to set fire to some of the buildings outlying the fort. Once the attack was full force sharpshooters and some of the initial aggressors shot into the smoke. Meantime some of the defenders ran into the buildings to take cover and engage the advancing force.

    I don't know that anyone could honestly call the Yankee's drunken, balls to the wall, run for the river an organized fall back and regroup. How about widespread alcoholic panic? Point is there was little to know leadership, no control. Some of the Yankees heading toward the river were running and shooting - good on them, good training - some were ripping through the trees like their asses were on fire and some who began the run unarmed and surrendering stopped and recovered guns and ammo from the hidden caches and began to fire back.

    Meantime, Yankee gunboats violating a previously agreed upon ceasefire, had advanced toward positions that threatened the Confederates. Did the gunboats have Union soldiers ready to disembark and flank the Confederates? No one knew at that point.

    Back to the panic run to the river. Confederate troops were taking fire from - some - Yankees who retreated and fired and from - some - Yankees who had previously surrendered but were now rearmed from hidden caches and returning fire. Get the picture? Standing in the offensive position what are you going to do?

    More than a few Yankees made it to the water and trying to make it to the gunboats, who by the way, we trying to avoid the onslaught from the Rebels. A lot of tired, frightened, drunken Yankees, perhaps many who could not swim, drowned trying to make it to the gunboats. Yes, some were shot as well.

    Does all this sound like a "Y'all kill all the darkies attack"? Were African-Americans shot because they were black? Oh, yes, no doubt. Was that the mission? Were those the orders? It would be difficult to prove in that white soldiers were killed right along side of the black soldiers.

    There's a great deal more to add but I think that is enough for now.










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