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    Re: Ted Cruz Walks Out Of Nelson Mandela Memorial Service In Protest

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    Re: Ted Cruz Walks Out Of Nelson Mandela Memorial Service In Protest

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    You've been listening to your right-wing pundits too much.....the stories you are talking about a far and few....
    Yeah yeah yeah... try telling that to some lib that might actually fall for it.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Walks Out Of Nelson Mandela Memorial Service In Protest

    Being a Floridian I know lots of Cubans. They are passionate in their hate for Castro. Cruz's father was born in Cuba and had a bad experience with the Castro junta. I would expect no less from Cruz than to walk out on Raul's speech. It's not a conservative, liberal, republican or democrat thing. It's a Cuban thing.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Walks Out Of Nelson Mandela Memorial Service In Protest

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    He did not act inappropriately.

    Any other Cuban would have done the same.

    Like I asked before, would you stay to listen to a speech given by Osama Bin Laden if you have numerous family members die in the twin towers?
    If I were there of my own accord, probably not. In fact, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't. However, the point I'm trying to make is Sen. Cruz was NOT there of his own accord. He was there as a member of President Obama's U.S. delegation and, as such, as one of several representatives of the United States government. In that regard, he should have behaved himself in a more dignified manner. In this case, he should have swallowed his pride, set aside his misgivings and presented himself as a humble Ambassador of the U.S. If he didn't believe he could do that, he shouldn't have come on the trip OR he should have excused himself long before the U.S. delegation or the President himself made the Cuban President's acquaintance. Instead, he apparently (and perhaps deliberately) choose to make his exit right as the President greeted the Cuban leader. IMO, he did so only so he could later stand up among his anti-Communist, Republican-Conservative allies and decree how he stood firm against aligning himself with Communist dictators (which for the record is reminiscent of what anti-Communist, Republican-Conservatives did immediately following WWII and well into the Vietnam war era) whereas the U.S. President did not. Instead, he's once again mingling with "terrorist/Socialist/Communist..." another opportunity to bring his relationships/alliances into question. In any case, it's obvious to anyone who is truly paying attention and understand alittle bit about political posturing that this Republican at least is trying his hardest to repeat history among his more Republican-Conservative base.

    In a nutshell, all I'm saying here (again) is if Sen. Cruz knew in advance that Raul Casto was going to be there and he'd have to make his acquaintance in a formal manner, i.e., shake the man's hand, he either shouldn't have come or he should have excused himself long beforehand.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Walks Out Of Nelson Mandela Memorial Service In Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Being a Floridian I know lots of Cubans. They are passionate in their hate for Castro. Cruz's father was born in Cuba and had a bad experience with the Castro junta. I would expect no less from Cruz than to walk out on Raul's speech. It's not a conservative, liberal, republican or democrat thing. It's a Cuban thing.
    I understand the hatred and mistrust most Cuban-Americans have of the Castro regime. I get it; really I do. But again I have to make the point, Sen. Cruz is no longer just another American citizen. Moreover, he wasn't there of his own accord. As such, he should have shown a lot more restraint.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Walks Out Of Nelson Mandela Memorial Service In Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If I were there of my own accord, probably not. In fact, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't. However, the point I'm trying to make is Sen. Cruz was NOT there of his own accord. He was there as a member of President Obama's U.S. delegation and, as such, as one of several representatives of the United States government. In that regard, he should have behaved himself in a more dignified manner. In this case, he should have swallowed his pride, set aside his misgivings and presented himself as a humble Ambassador of the U.S. If he didn't believe he could do that, he shouldn't have come on the trip OR he should have excused himself long before the U.S. delegation or the President himself made the Cuban President's acquaintance. Instead, he apparently (and perhaps deliberately) choose to make his exit right as the President greeted the Cuban leader. IMO, he did so only so he could later stand up among his anti-Communist, Republican-Conservative allies and decree how he stood firm against aligning himself with Communist dictators (which for the record is reminiscent of what anti-Communist, Republican-Conservatives did immediately following WWII and well into the Vietnam war era) whereas the U.S. President did not. Instead, he's once again mingling with "terrorist/Socialist/Communist..." another opportunity to bring his relationships/alliances into question. In any case, it's obvious to anyone who is truly paying attention and understand alittle bit about political posturing that this Republican at least is trying his hardest to repeat history among his more Republican-Conservative base.

    In a nutshell, all I'm saying here (again) is if Sen. Cruz knew in advance that Raul Casto was going to be there and he'd have to make his acquaintance in a formal manner, i.e., shake the man's hand, he either shouldn't have come or he should have excused himself long beforehand.
    I pretty much agree with what you're saying.

    Just think of it this way: If he didn't do what he did, most of us would probably not be aware that he was even there in the first place. Getting his name in the headlines is very important is he's running in '16.


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    Re: Ted Cruz Walks Out Of Nelson Mandela Memorial Service In Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If I were there of my own accord, probably not. In fact, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't. However, the point I'm trying to make is Sen. Cruz was NOT there of his own accord. He was there as a member of President Obama's U.S. delegation and, as such, as one of several representatives of the United States government. In that regard, he should have behaved himself in a more dignified manner. In this case, he should have swallowed his pride, set aside his misgivings and presented himself as a humble Ambassador of the U.S. If he didn't believe he could do that, he shouldn't have come on the trip OR he should have excused himself long before the U.S. delegation or the President himself made the Cuban President's acquaintance. Instead, he apparently (and perhaps deliberately) choose to make his exit right as the President greeted the Cuban leader. IMO, he did so only so he could later stand up among his anti-Communist, Republican-Conservative allies and decree how he stood firm against aligning himself with Communist dictators (which for the record is reminiscent of what anti-Communist, Republican-Conservatives did immediately following WWII and well into the Vietnam war era) whereas the U.S. President did not. Instead, he's once again mingling with "terrorist/Socialist/Communist..." another opportunity to bring his relationships/alliances into question. In any case, it's obvious to anyone who is truly paying attention and understand alittle bit about political posturing that this Republican at least is trying his hardest to repeat history among his more Republican-Conservative base.

    In a nutshell, all I'm saying here (again) is if Sen. Cruz knew in advance that Raul Casto was going to be there and he'd have to make his acquaintance in a formal manner, i.e., shake the man's hand, he either shouldn't have come or he should have excused himself long beforehand.
    I understand your point of view, but I think you underestimate the felling Cubans have for the Castros.

    I haven't read anywhere that he knew Castro was going to be there or giving a speech.

    Have you seen that somewhere?

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    Re: Ted Cruz Walks Out Of Nelson Mandela Memorial Service In Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I understand the hatred and mistrust most Cuban-Americans have of the Castro regime. I get it; really I do. But again I have to make the point, Sen. Cruz is no longer just another American citizen. Moreover, he wasn't there of his own accord. As such, he should have shown a lot more restraint.
    What I have read about Rafael Bienvenido Cruz, Ted's father, was that as a teen he was imprisoned and tortured by Batista and when Castro came along he joined him and fought in the revolution. He became disillusioned with Castro when he started to confiscate private property and punishing dissent. In the 50's, he fled Cuba and was a rampant anti communist. I don't see how, as a son and as a Cuban American he had the obligation to sit though a speech presented by someone who had negatively impacted his family. I understand why he left and support his decision.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Walks Out Of Nelson Mandela Memorial Service In Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Yeah yeah yeah... try telling that to some lib that might actually fall for it.
    No need. The reality is, despite the obstacles and problems a great number of individuals have enrolled and the Republicans are not going to be able to take their insurance away without consequences. We need to work towards a single payer system...but this is a first step in that direction.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Walks Out Of Nelson Mandela Memorial Service In Protest

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No need. The reality is, despite the obstacles and problems a great number of individuals have enrolled and the Republicans are not going to be able to take their insurance away without consequences. We need to work towards a single payer system...but this is a first step in that direction.
    How many is it now that have signed up, actually signed up? Has it hit 300K yet? Mostly the ones needing, not the ones needed to make the system work... and how many of them have actually purchased? Death spiral anyone?

    This, simply put, is a major debacle...no avoiding that.

    NO, what we need is a single prayer system, should go something like this, " Good Lord, please help us be rid of this awful, unaffordable and unhealthy transfer of wealth system".

    Amen.
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