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    The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    The National Security Agency's court-approved authority to access and analyze phone records three "hops" away from a suspected terrorist's phone number has alarmed civil liberties groups like the ACLU, which estimated that just one starting number could yield 2.5 million people's phone records.Now, new research from Stanford graduate students Jonathan Mayer and Patrick Mutchler suggests that the NSA's dragnet could be bigger -- much bigger.
    "Under current FISA Court orders, the NSA may be able to analyze the phone records of a sizable proportion of the United States population with just one seed number,"they wrote in a blog post published Monday. "And by the way, there are tens of thousands of qualified seed numbers."
    Under the rules approved by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the agency's broad-reaching phone metadata collection program can only sift through details on who Americans called and when if the caller is three or fewer degrees of separation, or "hops," from a number suspected of associations with terrorism.
    That will yield 2.5 million people's records alone if, as the ACLU assumed, the average person has 40 phone contacts. But Mayer and Mutchler say that between voicemail, spam robocalls and calling services like Skype, many of us are connected by just a small set of phone numbers.


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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    That's our Obama, rushing in the police state!

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    This **** needs to ****ing stop! [/FONT][/COLOR]
    This is why I support a anti-spying amendment(which would also applies to companies as well) to supplement the 4th amendment. But it would probably be easier to strip funding from the NSA than to enact another amendment.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This **** needs to ****ing stop! [/FONT][/COLOR]
    That's awfully hysterical for an article of "could be". Do you always base outrage on speculations?

    One minute it's "Iran could be developing a nuke" and all evidence is denied. The next minute it's "the NSA could be investigating many people" and no evidence is required for outrage. Odd. It's enough to wonder if the outrage is rational or just agenda-driven nonsense.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's awfully hysterical for an article of "could be". Do you always base outrage on speculations?

    One minute it's "Iran could be developing a nuke" and all evidence is denied. The next minute it's "the NSA could be investigating many people" and no evidence is required for outrage. Odd. It's enough to wonder if the outrage is rational or just agenda-driven nonsense.
    It's not that they could be, it's that they can if they want to.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    This **** needs to ****ing stop! [/FONT][/COLOR]
    What do you mean "might"? Of course it does. They're spying on gamers for god's sake. Patrolling World of Warcraft and XBox Live. We're broke, but apparently we got money for this. I mean, if they're going that far then they are everywhere.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's awfully hysterical for an article of "could be". Do you always base outrage on speculations?

    One minute it's "Iran could be developing a nuke" and all evidence is denied. The next minute it's "the NSA could be investigating many people" and no evidence is required for outrage. Odd. It's enough to wonder if the outrage is rational or just agenda-driven nonsense.
    When they are targeting academics, gammers, collecting peoples porn habits, spying on our allies, and spying on activists ive seen enough evidence.


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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This **** needs to ****ing stop! [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Why, what are you trying to hide?
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    When they are targeting academics, gammers, collecting peoples porn habits, spying on our allies, and spying on activists ive seen enough evidence.
    So what are your thoughts on the IRS targeting those across the isle from Mr. President?
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Why, what are you trying to hide?
    The secrets underground tunnels to where we are hiding the aliens at Area-51


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