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The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

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The National Security Agency's court-approved authority to access and analyze phone records three "hops" away from a suspected terrorist's phone number has alarmed civil liberties groups like the ACLU, which estimated that just one starting number could yield 2.5 million people's phone records.Now, new research from Stanford graduate students Jonathan Mayer and Patrick Mutchler suggests that the NSA's dragnet could be bigger -- much bigger.
"Under current FISA Court orders, the NSA may be able to analyze the phone records of a sizable proportion of the United States population with just one seed number,"they wrote in a blog post published Monday. "And by the way, there are tens of thousands of qualified seed numbers."
Under the rules approved by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the agency's broad-reaching phone metadata collection program can only sift through details on who Americans called and when if the caller is three or fewer degrees of separation, or "hops," from a number suspected of associations with terrorism.
That will yield 2.5 million people's records alone if, as the ACLU assumed, the average person has 40 phone contacts. But Mayer and Mutchler say that between voicemail, spam robocalls and calling services like Skype, many of us are connected by just a small set of phone numbers.


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This **** needs to ****ing stop! :mad::2mad::2mad:
 
That's our Obama, rushing in the police state!
 
This **** needs to ****ing stop! :mad::2mad::2mad:[/FONT][/COLOR]

That's awfully hysterical for an article of "could be". Do you always base outrage on speculations?

One minute it's "Iran could be developing a nuke" and all evidence is denied. The next minute it's "the NSA could be investigating many people" and no evidence is required for outrage. Odd. It's enough to wonder if the outrage is rational or just agenda-driven nonsense.
 
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That's awfully hysterical for an article of "could be". Do you always base outrage on speculations?

One minute it's "Iran could be developing a nuke" and all evidence is denied. The next minute it's "the NSA could be investigating many people" and no evidence is required for outrage. Odd. It's enough to wonder if the outrage is rational or just agenda-driven nonsense.

It's not that they could be, it's that they can if they want to.
 
That's awfully hysterical for an article of "could be". Do you always base outrage on speculations?

One minute it's "Iran could be developing a nuke" and all evidence is denied. The next minute it's "the NSA could be investigating many people" and no evidence is required for outrage. Odd. It's enough to wonder if the outrage is rational or just agenda-driven nonsense.

When they are targeting academics, gammers, collecting peoples porn habits, spying on our allies, and spying on activists ive seen enough evidence.
 
When they are targeting academics, gammers, collecting peoples porn habits, spying on our allies, and spying on activists ive seen enough evidence.

So what are your thoughts on the IRS targeting those across the isle from Mr. President?
 
So what are your thoughts on the IRS targeting those across the isle from Mr. President?

They also targeting progressive and liberal groups to. So no they were doing their job, nice try tho. (but lets not derail this thread tho this is not abotu the IRS)
 
They also targeting progressive and liberal groups to. So no they were doing their job, nice try tho. (but lets not derail this thread tho this is not abotu the IRS)

Government being bad is government being bad, no matter the agency, but I see you are living in a world of delusion WRT the IRS thing. So now I know your outrage is cherry picked and specifically targeted outrage. Thanks.
 
That's our Obama, rushing in the police state!

This stuff escalated with earnest during Bush. But Bush partisans looked the other way as Obama partisans largely do now, which is why we're in the TROUBLE we are.
 
When they are targeting academics, gammers, collecting peoples porn habits, spying on our allies, and spying on activists ive seen enough evidence.

Apologists for this type of behavior have there place reserved for them.
 
So THATS what it took for you to decide it was 'enough'? Spying on gamers and tracking your porn habits? Like...the phone conversation, data tracking, email sniffing...THAT was all cool...but this...why...its an OUTRAGE I tells!!!
 
And they have demonstrated that they want to.

Do you have a link to them going through average citizens phone records? You must be a contractor for them to have such access.
 
Do you have a link to them going through average citizens phone records? You must be a contractor for them to have such access.

Edward Snowden.
 
So we can only hope you jest.

I realize some people here have some massively overblown ego's, but the reality is they don't know who you are and don't care about you.
 
A name of a person. Well, that's a GREAT link. You fail.

So you've been sleeping thru Snowden's disclosures and interviews. Did you see the author of the Patriot Acts criticisms of congress on the NSA and the NSA itself?
 
I realize some people here have some massively overblown ego's, but the reality is they don't know who you are and don't care about you.

Nobody posting on any forum suffers from small ego syndrome.
 
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