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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is why I support a anti-spying amendment(which would also applies to companies as well) to supplement the 4th amendment. But it would probably be easier to strip funding from the NSA than to enact another amendment.
    The odds are better than they have been in a long time for a constitutional convention.

    Granted, you still need to have a government that respects the Constitution so....
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I love how intelligence agencies have become the bad guy for the ignorant. I think it's hilarious, frankly.
    The aggregated Big Brother Agencies have indeed become the bad guy. Government beyond its boundaries has never been a good thing.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    I don't believe anybody wants to eliminate all intelligence agencies in the world. That would be quite silly. But as the author of that troubling Patriot Act, of all people said, when congress should be putting on the breaks regarding the National Spy Agency, they are in fact stepping on the gas. And he likened them to the NSA's cheer leading squad, criticizing both dem's and rep's in the comment.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The aggregated Big Brother Agencies have indeed become the bad guy. Government beyond its boundaries has never been a good thing.
    Lucas works for one. Of course he's a supporter and defender.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The odds are better than they have been in a long time for a constitutional convention.

    Granted, you still need to have a government that respects the Constitution so....
    Yes. Wasn't there just a formal meeting in Virginia on that?

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yes, there are many people that are inconsistent in their beliefs and outrage in that manner.

    I grew up with and around people that worked there. And even with that, there was a time in my misguided teen years where I believe such nonsense. But the reality is that it's a place where normal people work, and just do a job. A buddy of mine was big time against them too and believed the worst, until his later years when as a programmer he was contracted to work there, he later admitted he was wrong about it for most of his life. Does government overstep it's bounds and abuse things? Hell yeah, from time to time, sometimes worse than others… are there people in government that abuse their positions? Hell yeah. So strict guides and oversight needs to be in place. And I know that warehousing loads of data could possibly lead to massive abuse, that's a simple reality. But the fear of some evil group of american citizens out to watch your every move is just fodder for the weak minded.
    Ok! That's all the concerned parties want addressed. First the rational behind warehousing citizens personal data in the first place, which may not be possible anyway, and IF it were, the very tightly regulated system that would ensure that there would not be "MASSIVE abuse" (emphasis added)

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The aggregated Big Brother Agencies have indeed become the bad guy. Government beyond its boundaries has never been a good thing.
    Well see, it's a done deal for you. So anything they do is bad. lol
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Well see, it's a done deal for you. So anything they do is bad. lol
    Anything they do without proper oversight and restraint will likely be bad, more likely to be something they shouldn't be doing than should. Government must be constrained and regulated.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Anything they do without proper oversight and restraint will likely be bad, more likely to be something they shouldn't be doing than should. Government must be constrained and regulated.
    The oversight is there. You just don't think it's proper. That's the only issue. They'll keep on keeping on, luckily.
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