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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    How can one be ok with nonsense conspiracy stuff?
    Everything I listed does exist. What conspiracy are you suggesting? I forgot to mention the most recent MSM report that the FBI can turn on your WebCam without the illumination of your indicator light. How can you be in such denial of the surveillance state in which you live.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Everything I listed does exist. What conspiracy are you suggesting? I forgot to mention the most recent MSM report that the FBI can turn on your WebCam without the illumination of your indicator light. How can you be in such denial of the surveillance state in which you live.
    You think because others don't share your fear that some geek at a desk in the basement of a nondescript building is currently looking through your personal files, that I am in denial? Again you are incorrect. I know very well what is going on, I know what is claimed is going on, I know the history of governmental abuse of data. I simply don't have an irrational fear like you do. So what are you trying to hide from them?
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Are you suggesting that a private company should not be allowed to ask its customers if its all right to "spy" on them for their benefit? You mean to suggest that people shouldn't be free to accept the snooping of a private company they do business with? I agree a company should not impose it, but if a company offers it as a service then I should be free to accept the service or do business with a company that does (if I want such a thing).

    For example I bank with a local or so called "regional" bank. I like it that they shut my ATM down and call me when they think "SHTF" has happened and that purchases are being made with my card. They've saved me twice from hackers that obtained my ATM at the gas station. I'm all for freedom - including the freedom to choose snooping if I want the company I do business with to monitor things for my gain.
    Not sure whom that was addressed to if anyone, but I have no problem with what you described. It's quite different however than the National Spy Agency, FBI or any other alphabet agency doing the same to Americans who aren't guilty of crime. Sooner or latter Americans are going to deal with the infringement of their civil liberties. Or loose them for good.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You think because others don't share your fear that some geek at a desk in the basement of a nondescript building is currently looking through your personal files, that I am in denial? Again you are incorrect. I know very well what is going on, I know what is claimed is going on, I know the history of governmental abuse of data. I simply don't have an irrational fear like you do. So what are you trying to hide from them?
    It's not about fear. It's about indignation over the violation of the people's bill of rights. Again if your ok with the FBI turning on your WebCam without your knowledge and watching you/the activities of your room, that's your prerogative. Privacy isn't about something illegal one is trying to hide. Why then would the founding generation have given us the fourth amendment. I assume you lock the door when you use the necessary room.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    It's complicated. There was an instance when they (FBI) wanted access to my wife's business computers because 1 person involved in a terrorist plot to blow up a subway has communicated with her company and visited one of the websites. If they find one suspect, they try to track anyone else who might be involved via internet emails, internet searches and phone records. In this instance, they had a list of names and wanted to know if any of them also has communicated with her company via email or had made any purchases.

    She refused access, but agreed to do the search herself. After some huffing and puffing, they agreed. 1 name did match a sale of a certain chemical of concern her company sold. It was one compound for the device they were attempting to make. Ultimately, 4 people were convicted of a plot to blow up a subway.

    It appears the government USUALLY does not advertise such plots to not cause copycats nor divulge their methods.

    Given the massive flow of information, using computers to, in a sense, watch and read everything is a double edged sword. It is a huge violation of privacy, but it also seems to be working. So where is the middle ground between citizen's rights and the government protecting our country? That is not a simple question. We are a very vulnerable society.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Joko, she refused! Was she hiding something? Of course she was, but not everything people wish to hide equates to illegal. And that's the problem. Also, it's quite different for the FBI to ask you for access, and just accessing your computer without warrant and without your knowledge, as was recently disclosed with the WebCam control and overriding of the indicator light.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's not about fear. It's about indignation over the violation of the people's bill of rights.
    I am sure you believe your own line of nonsense. You are afraid, pure and simple.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Arbo, your a psychiatrist I take it. I see your in Colorado. Did you support the recent recall elections there?

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Arbo, your a psychiatrist I take it.
    And yet again you are incorrect. This must be some sort of record.

    I see your in Colorado. Did you support the recent recall elections there?
    Yes, I can list my location, unlike others that live in fear.

    If you want to know my thoughts on the topic of guns, then look in the gun control forum rather than trying to divert the topic in this thread.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    And yet again you are incorrect. This must be some sort of record.



    Yes, I can list my location, unlike others that live in fear.


    If you want to know my thoughts on the topic of guns, then look in the gun control forum rather than trying to divert the topic in this thread.
    So everyone that fails to list their location is living in fear! Wow, are you sure I'm wrong about your profession. No diversionary tactics. I have no problem with the topic of the National Spy Agency and the violation of Americans fourth amendment, just wondered if your indifference toward it was isolated or extended to the second as well, but don't care enough about your opinion on it too go searching. It is funny that you speak as though I'm the lone American opposed to the growing threat to our civil liberties. We number in the millions. Btw, long before things were as advanced as they are now, Sandra Day O'Conner warned that amongst other things, George Bush's warrantless wiretapping was paramount to the US degenerating into dictatorship and Jimmy Carter has declared that the US is no longer a functioning democracy. But you run along now with the rest of your gullible ilk.

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