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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol

    #1- I enjoy you admitting that you're making things up.
    #2- You think someone working for an intelligence agency is something "grand". Jesus, there's tens of thousands of people that do. It's not like I was an NFL player or something.



    You're investigating? lol you're accusing. There's a difference. Congress has oversight. Write your representatives.
    I've never made anything up. These accusations are of serious enough concern to warrant investigation. That's it.

    Makes people wonder why you, someone in the "know" would fight investigations so much.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It's too bad the network infrastructure and programming is neither.
    My data is mine, if the government needs to search it they can get a warrant.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I've never made anything up. These accusations are of serious enough concern to warrant investigation. That's it.
    You thought they were spying on you. You said it. I mean..come on. Anyway, write your representatives.

    Makes people wonder why you, someone in the "know" would fight investigations so much.
    lol YOU'RE ON TO ME!

    It's because ignorant people say ignorant things (clearly). And this is a political debate forum, no?
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    My data is mine, if the government needs to search it they can get a warrant.
    No, it's not. The conversation is yours. The metadata is not. That's been pretty clearly decided upon. I'm sorry you disagree.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You thought they were spying on you. You said it. I mean..come on. Anyway, write your representatives.



    lol YOU'RE ON TO ME!

    It's because ignorant people say ignorant things (clearly). And this is a political debate forum, no?
    I never said they were spying on me personally, they are aggregating batch data for later parsing of information. It's a mega data mining operation, which should be illegal for government. As such, it's necessary to investigate and stop any improper use of government force or activity.

    You don't have all the information, nor do you possess all the knowledge of NSA spying. You sitting here dismissing these accusations carte blanche is engaging in nothing more than you're accusing others of.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No, it's not. The conversation is yours. The metadata is not. That's been pretty clearly decided upon. I'm sorry you disagree.
    I assuredly disagree, "megadata" did not exist back when the Constitution was made, but all my actions and purchasing falls under my papers and effects. It's mine and we must make sure the government understands its off hands without warrant or reasonable suspicion.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I never said they were spying on me personally, they are aggregating batch data for later parsing of information. It's a mega data mining operation, which should be illegal for government. As such, it's necessary to investigate and stop any improper use of government force or activity.

    You don't have all the information, nor do you possess all the knowledge of NSA spying. You sitting here dismissing these accusations carte blanche is engaging in nothing more than you're accusing others of.
    Ah, right. We're both equally ignorant. I'm sure that's what you want to believe. You have to- if you admitted that I had more experience in this, you'd have to admit that your position was a lot weaker than mine. But you can't bear to admit that so...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I assuredly disagree, "megadata" did not exist back when the Constitution was made, but all my actions and purchasing falls under my papers and effects. It's mine and we must make sure the government understands its off hands without warrant or reasonable suspicion.
    Well, too bad federal judges disagree. Write your representatives. Get a privacy amendment drafted that includes metadata that isn't even yours to own (it would be the phone company's if anything). Until then, deal with it.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Ah, right. We're both equally ignorant. I'm sure that's what you want to believe. You have to- if you admitted that I had more experience in this, you'd have to admit that your position was a lot weaker than mine. But you can't bear to admit that so...



    Well, too bad federal judges disagree. Write your representatives. Get a privacy amendment drafted that includes metadata that isn't even yours to own (it would be the phone company's if anything). Until then, deal with it.
    It doesn't matter what "experience" you claim to have. You no longer work there, there isn't a newsletter that goes out to inform you of all the new secrets, you have not total knowledge of all the secrets. You are equally ignorant to those you condemn. You just try to carte blanche excuse any amount of activity. It's just dismissive "there are secrets that need to be secret" as if that excuses ALL secrets and ALL activity (pssst, it doesn't).

    You offer no information and no true defense other than deflection, and that's supposed to count for something? Please. Try an actual argument and logic if you want to go far but the "I know cause I was there, and there wasn't anything bad happening, and shut up and go about your business" argument isn't going to cut it. Till you can offer more, you're just pissing into the wind like everyone else.

    Investigation and proper limitation of government force is necessary. Why are you afraid of a little investigation?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It doesn't matter what "experience" you claim to have.
    Right. You don't care about facts or experience or anything. You care about what your imagination can muster up.

    I have no problems with investigations. But all that should still be classified, we don't need random civilians knowing things. That's bad; they're dumb.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Right. You don't care about facts or experience or anything. You care about what your imagination can muster up.

    I have no problems with investigations. But all that should still be classified, we don't need random civilians knowing things. That's bad; they're dumb.
    Oh, I care about facts, you've just haven't brought any. The "Citizens need to be ignorant" as a blanket statement for everything isn't going to cut it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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