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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Who said I was angry?
    Good, I'm glad you've arrived at peace. Let us rejoice in the phone records showing my IMSI and IMEI accessing this website's IPv6 address and realize that keeping that information isn't spying, no matter how much people whine about it. Goodnight!
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Good, I'm glad you've arrived at peace. Let us rejoice in the phone records showing my IMSI and IMEI accessing this website's IPv6 address and realize that keeping that information isn't spying, no matter how much people whine about it. Goodnight!
    But it is spying.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    But it is spying.
    wtf? Wow, then yes, everyone is spying on you. There's nothing special about the NSA doing it. You have a fundamentally different definition of spying than...anyone I've ever met. Are you mad about your phone company spying on you? The cashier at the store seeing your credit card info and sharing it with the phone company and infrastructure owners (not usually the same thing) while giving it your credit card people information about your exact whereabouts at that given time when you made the purchase.

    That's some tinfoil hat stuff, that's crazy as hell.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    One cannot track all of the connections of a particular simcard without constant access to it. Searching a list of connections for that number is not a violation of rights. It's not "collecting millions of peoples phone records", it's searching a list of connections.
    How is that the private citizens fault or responsibility? Oh wait....its not.

    And yes, it IS a violation of privacy as the government has no need of that information whether its as minimal amount as you think that it is or more. The government has no business knowing my or any one elses connnections unless they are tracking an individual who is a terrorist. My connections are just that...mine. Not the governments. Not yours. Not Joe Blows down the street. Mine. No one has the need to know them except me and the person I am connected with.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And yes, it IS a violation of privacy as the government has no need of that information whether its as minimal amount as you think that it is or more. The government has no business knowing my or any one elses connnections unless they are tracking an individual who is a terrorist. My connections are just that...mine. Not the governments. Not yours. Not Joe Blows down the street. Mine. No one has the need to know them except me and the person I am connected with.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How is that the private citizens fault or responsibility? Oh wait....its not.

    And yes, it IS a violation of privacy as the government has no need of that information whether its as minimal amount as you think that it is or more. The government has no business knowing my or any one elses connnections unless they are tracking an individual who is a terrorist. My connections are just that...mine. Not the governments. Not yours. Not Joe Blows down the street. Mine. No one has the need to know them except me and the person I am connected with.
    And, I guess, the companies that provide you that connection, right? Now is the way that they allow you and your connections to interact owned by them or by you? What if their programs use another company's infrastructure? A third company's software? Do any of you own that method of connection at all? I'm curious.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So you're just arguing against something that may or may not be happening? Like I said, I can't refute your imagination, dude.
    What he is saying is that no one can possibly know everything that any agency that they are in is doing. Even CEO's of companies have underlings which have the power to implement stuff without having to bother the CEO with every single little detail. An over bloated government agency has the same structure. Indeed the President has the highest clearance access possible in this country and yet even he doesn't know everything that there is to know with all of the agencies under his purview.

    The fact that you claim to have once worked for the NSA as more than just an "IT guy" and no longer do and therefore you know what their current policies and actions are is at best exaggerated dishonesty. At worst a straight out lie because NO ONE can know everything that happens in a large agency/company. It is a statistical impossibility. Even more so when that person no longer works for <insert agency here>.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What he is saying is that no one can possibly know everything that any agency that they are in is doing.
    And no one can argue with someone else's imagination, so it becomes a nonissue. Either use some verifiable facts or don't bother. Because if someone with zero knowledge of intelligence is going to claim that I'm ignorant...well, they're always gonna lose, because all their argument is doing is pointing out that they're extremely LESS knowledgeable.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Which begs the question of what's essential and what's temporary. I didn't know it was essential that the US not store the metadata that phone companies have. That's an interesting take.
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