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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Must be a whole lot of people making **** up then.
    Statists and authoritarians, those against the pressing necessity to keep freedom, will always argue that you should just trust the government because it's doing what's best for us all.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Statists and authoritarians, those against the pressing necessity to keep freedom, will always argue that you should just trust the government because it's doing what's best for us all.
    The very first guys that put this whole program together told us that wasn't the case and that by its nature government is progressive and it requires diligence to maintain and retain a democratic republic. As Ben F. said, "you have received a democratic republic if you can hold onto it madam". But we shouldn't mention the designers, we may be accused of worship, you know.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The very first guys that put this whole program together told us that wasn't the case and that by its nature government is progressive and it requires diligence to maintain and retain a democratic republic. As Ben F. said, "you have received a democratic republic if you can hold onto it madam". But we shouldn't mention the designers, we may be accused of worship, you know.
    Exactly they did, one of the largest lessons pushed by the founders was that government is not to be trusted, a necessary evil yes; but an evil none the less. Watch and constrain, only through our attention and dilligence may the Republic be preserved. And yet you see the statists and the authoritarians telling us "nothing to see here, move along" all the time. And their cadence towards slavery echoes louder now than ever before. Fear, fear keeps them in line; but fear is misplaced. It is not The People who should fear the government, but the other way around. Only then can they remember their duty to the People and our rights.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Snowden has 1.7 million documents, only a couple hundred thousand have been disclosed at present. The Gaurdian made clear back at the beginning that nothing they disclosed would jeopardize national security, nor have they. As with Manning, disclosures are damaging only to the the governments credibility because they document, key word there, wrong doing on the Governments part. Robert Gates has stated such. CNN is reporting that the NSA is very concerned about the remaining documents that Snowden has. Man does he ever need an army of body guards. Of course the NSA is demanding that red herring that further disclosures will harm national security. But Americans are pretty well fed up with the government concealing wrong doing on that basis that generally isn't true.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    This **** needs to ****ing stop! [/FONT][/COLOR]
    After seeing 60 Minutes last night, I'm less concerned. I'm actually more concerned about what private corporations have on file about us, who BTW are under no legal obligation to keep their records on us confidential in most cases.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Well the NSA isn't less concerned. A top NSA official said today amnesty for Snowden is a possibility!!

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    What personal data? What spying?
    Phone, e-mail and Internet.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You're making up knowledge of the entire system. You do not know. You pretend to know, you tell everyone you know; but you do not. As I said, at very best your claim is just as dubious a claim as you say others have when talking of NSA action.
    I certainly know the system much better than you do. So why do you pretend to know it all? I have a lot of experience and I'm telling you how it is. You have none. Your only fall back is "you don't have perfect knowledge" which isn't a good argument at all when you have none. Like literally any insult you could make towards my knowledge base applies to you on an exponentially greater scale.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I certainly know the system much better than you do. So why do you pretend to know it all? I have a lot of experience and I'm telling you how it is. You have none. Your only fall back is "you don't have perfect knowledge" which isn't a good argument at all when you have none. Like literally any insult you could make towards my knowledge base applies to you on an exponentially greater scale.
    I don't, I say allegations as such must be investigated and the government restrained to its proper limitations. You're the one claiming knowledge, saying this isn't happening and people are paranoid, and blah blah blah. Just a "nothing to see here" comment from someone pretending to have all the access still to this day. You don't know.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't, I say allegations as such must be investigated and the government restrained to its proper limitations. You're the one claiming knowledge, saying this isn't happening and people are paranoid, and blah blah blah. Just a "nothing to see here" comment from someone pretending to have all the access still to this day. You don't know.
    lol whatever fires you up. Continue to whine about something you have no proof of happening.
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