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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Probably because I worked there. And not as just an IT guy lol
    And obviously you were so high up that you had ALL the clearance, yeah? I mean, things are secret and need to be secret, but not from you right?

    How do you know? If things are secret and need to be secret how can you have knowledge of the entire system as it stands now. I mean "worked" there, yeah? They keep sending you updates after you were gone? It's wonderful that such a high level clearance government agent such as yourself frequents this board to keep us advised on the secrets the NSA continues to collect. lol
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Three things.

    1: Once a liar, always a liar.

    2: Guilt by association.

    3: Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

    Again, why should I doubt the OP? In otherwords what has the NSA done to make me want to trust them?
    Any group (country, race, religion, organization, etc) could be indicted via your qualifications above. Your "three things" is a fine list of things not to use in evidence. Listing 'guilt by association' as a factor is funny, it's like "2. Logical fallacy".

    Those "three things" are what nutbag republicans use to indict Obama for various nefarious motives.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Any group (country, race, religion, organization, etc) could be indicted via your qualifications above. Your "three things" is a fine list of things not to use in evidence. Listing 'guilt by association' as a factor is funny, it's like "2. Logical fallacy".

    Those "three things" are what nutbag republicans use to indict Obama for various nefarious motives.
    Except we're not talking about any group (country, race, religion, organization, etc). We're talking about the NSA. An organization who's very mandate is to ferret out secrets. There is a right way to do this and a wrong way. They have already proven that they have no qualms about doing it the wrong way. If you want me to not take the OP at face value then you are going to have to prove the NSA's innocence.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Any group (country, race, religion, organization, etc) could be indicted via your qualifications above. Your "three things" is a fine list of things not to use in evidence. Listing 'guilt by association' as a factor is funny, it's like "2. Logical fallacy".

    Those "three things" are what nutbag republicans use to indict Obama for various nefarious motives.
    Except we're not talking about any group (country, race, religion, organization, etc). We're talking about the NSA. An organization who's very mandate is to ferret out secrets. There is a right way to do this and a wrong way. They have already proven that they have no qualms about doing it the wrong way. If you want me to not take the OP at face value then you are going to have to prove the NSA's innocence.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except we're not talking about any group (country, race, religion, organization, etc). We're talking about the NSA. An organization who's very mandate is to ferret out secrets. There is a right way to do this and a wrong way. They have already proven that they have no qualms about doing it the wrong way. If you want me to not take the OP at face value then you are going to have to prove the NSA's innocence.
    As long as it's guilty until proven innocent, there's no debate. It can be accused and you don't care about evidence.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    As long as it's guilty until proven innocent, there's no debate. It can be accused and you don't care about evidence.
    In otherwords you can't prove their innocence. See, thats the funny thing about this. You have no more proof that they are innocent than I do that they are guilty. You are making the assumption that they are innocent. I'm making the assumption that they are guilty. Yours is based on lack of sufficent evidence. Mine is based on their past actions.

    Lack of available evidence regarding an organization that is based on keeping secrets is hardly surprising. Of course when evidence does surface in the only way available...ie whistleblower...that whistleblower is condemned and ostrasized as a traitor and is hunted. Simple fact of the matter is that you don't want evidence of guilt or innocence when it comes to the NSA. You're perfectly willing to allow them to continue violating peoples Rights.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You're perfectly willing to allow them to continue violating peoples Rights.

    Hey, this is a phone number of a terrorist. See if anyone is connecting to it.


    Yeah, that's a huge violation of your rights. I need a "1st world problems" gif.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Hey, this is a phone number of a terrorist. See if anyone is connecting to it.


    Yeah, that's a huge violation of your rights. I need a "1st world problems" gif.
    Except that is not what is happening and you know it. They are collecting millions of peoples phone records regardless if there is a connection to terrorists or not. The proper way to go about an investigation is to work backwards, not forwards. You start from someone you know is a terrorist and find the people that they are connected to. You do not violate peoples rights hoping to find a terrorist. Thats akin to torturing someone while hoping that you have the right person in order to stop a bomb from going off. Neither is the right thing to do.

    And I note that you can't deny anything else I said in that post.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except that is not what is happening and you know it. They are collecting millions of peoples phone records regardless if there is a connection to terrorists or not. The proper way to go about an investigation is to work backwards, not forwards. You start from someone you know is a terrorist and find the people that they are connected to. You do not violate peoples rights hoping to find a terrorist. Thats akin to torturing someone while hoping that you have the right person in order to stop a bomb from going off. Neither is the right thing to do.
    One cannot track all of the connections of a particular simcard without constant access to it. Searching a list of connections for that number is not a violation of rights. It's not "collecting millions of peoples phone records", it's searching a list of connections.

    And I note that you can't deny anything else I said in that post.
    I'll give the rhetoric a 7.5/10, mainly for this part:

    the only way available...ie whistleblower...that whistleblower is condemned and ostrasized as a traitor and is hunted...
    Coming to an IMAX theater near you this Christmas... Snowden.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    It's funny, the same characters that cheerlead for U.S. government spying on Americans always pop in to defend whatever acronymed agency that is in trouble FOR spying on Americans.

    They're the "Nothing to see here, now move along" clan.

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