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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Bill Clinton On NSA Spying: “We Are On The Verge Of Having The Worst Of All Worlds: We’ll Have No Security And No Privacy”


    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...ech-99983.html


    http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed...economic-infor
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you not get that this is a matter of scale? There is no evidence for the claim in the OP article. You're ok with that?
    Yes, it is a matter of scale. If even ONE persons rights are violated by the government and it is allowed to not only continue but strengthen then there is a HUGE problem. AND the NSA has already proven that they not only violated peoples rights but have done everything they can to keep trying to do so. Why should I doubt the OP's article?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    If you are a terrorist, it's everyone's business.
    I find it extremely difficult to imagine that millions of people in this country are terrorists. I have no problem going after those that are. But violating everyone elses rights to do so is the wrong way to go about it. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You just don't quit eh?

    When you get some fine fine examples of actual citizens being abused by this system, let us know. Until then, no point rehashing how stupid your beliefs are or that you have yet to provide a single data point. Bye.
    The abuse is in the violation of privacy. A right that every single person has until they have been proven as not deserving that Right. Every single person that the NSA has collected data on in which the person is NOT a terrorist or criminal has been abused because their Rights have been abused. That includes me since I am myself a Verizon customer. My right to privacy has been violated for no valid, substantial, or provable reason as to why.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes, it is a matter of scale.
    So, you're aware of the topic.

    If even ONE persons rights are violated by the government and it is allowed to not only continue but strengthen then there is a HUGE problem. AND the NSA has already proven that they not only violated peoples rights but have done everything they can to keep trying to do so.
    That's not the debate in this thread. You're just presenting stuff from weeks, months ago. You're recycling what is probably your post (platitudes) from back then.

    Why should I doubt the OP's article?
    Because there is NO EVIDENCE presented. Do you make it a habit to believe things without evidence?
    Last edited by ecofarm; 12-14-13 at 09:12 AM.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    When hysterically paranoid speculation becomes "fact"...


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They certainly are, they even patrol video games, so they're certainly watching and parsing as much as they possibly can regardless of consequence and implication.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol and see, that's why I can't take this seriously, They certainly are not. It'd be funny if they were but...lol no
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How do you know? The information is secret and needs to remain secret, right? So you can't know that for fact.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    When hysterically paranoid speculation becomes "fact"...
    Not only is this just dismissive tripe, but as OldWorld had said, things have to be secret by necessity and so I asked him how he could know the whole truth if things must be secret by necessity.

    Again, it's called reading and context, you may want to try it out.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not only is this just dismissive tripe, but as OldWorld had said, things have to be secret by necessity and so I asked him how he could know the whole truth if things must be secret by necessity.

    Again, it's called reading and context, you may want to try it out.
    Probably because I worked there. And not as just an IT guy lol
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Probably because I worked there. And not as just an IT guy lol
    Yeah, we can all tell how well you've been indoctrinated.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Because there is NO EVIDENCE presented. Do you make it a habit to believe things without evidence?
    Three things.

    1: Once a liar, always a liar.

    2: Guilt by association.

    3: Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

    Again, why should I doubt the OP? In otherwords what has the NSA done to make me want to trust them?
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