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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Well, just cary on with the 'they are out to get me' fantasy then.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It's complicated. There was an instance when they (FBI) wanted access to my wife's business computers because 1 person involved in a terrorist plot to blow up a subway has communicated with her company and visited one of the websites. If they find one suspect, they try to track anyone else who might be involved via internet emails, internet searches and phone records. In this instance, they had a list of names and wanted to know if any of them also has communicated with her company via email or had made any purchases.

    She refused access, but agreed to do the search herself. After some huffing and puffing, they agreed. 1 name did match a sale of a certain chemical of concern her company sold. It was one compound for the device they were attempting to make. Ultimately, 4 people were convicted of a plot to blow up a subway.

    It appears the government USUALLY does not advertise such plots to not cause copycats nor divulge their methods.

    Given the massive flow of information, using computers to, in a sense, watch and read everything is a double edged sword. It is a huge violation of privacy, but it also seems to be working. So where is the middle ground between citizen's rights and the government protecting our country? That is not a simple question. We are a very vulnerable society.
    I agree with some of your points. But with the NSA spying our international allies, that is a little much for me. I also think this spying can be used for other methods, like ensure there is no revolt of the people when the people are ready to revolt. And thirdly, with the new healthcare reform and digital records, they will be able to get anybody's health information if they so desire.

    And, considering what they do is covertly, even if we were to restrict their power through legislation, they could do it anyways. Finally, technology is only going to get more advanced. I'm pretty sure if a NSA agent wanted to, at the computer, follow an individual and listen to absolutely everything they are saying, including the entire phone conversation if there is one. And, they could peer inside buildings while you are talking.

    Like in the movie V for Vandetta, they are listening in on anything that has to do with a revolt. To me, this is bothersome. Eventually when the masses want an entire new government (which you would think would be now) the government will be able to strike before anything is organized. These practices are ensuring the government of its power over the people.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's awfully hysterical for an article of "could be". Do you always base outrage on speculations?

    One minute it's "Iran could be developing a nuke" and all evidence is denied. The next minute it's "the NSA could be investigating many people" and no evidence is required for outrage. Odd. It's enough to wonder if the outrage is rational or just agenda-driven nonsense.
    Could? It's already been proven that the NSA has nabbed millions of peoples phone records just from Verizon alone.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Why, what are you trying to hide?
    What business is it of ANYONE's?
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What business is it of ANYONE's?
    I love that argument. It's like telling somebody critical of Washington policy, if you don't like the way things are done, why don't you move to a different country. Obviously it's not anyone's business, why some are defending it is really bizarre.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Could? It's already been proven that the NSA has nabbed millions of peoples phone records just from Verizon alone.
    Do you not get that this is a matter of scale? There is no evidence for the claim in the OP article. You're ok with that?

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What business is it of ANYONE's?
    If you are a terrorist, it's everyone's business.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Which totally ignores his post, 143.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Which totally ignores his post, 143.
    You just don't quit eh?

    When you get some fine fine examples of actual citizens being abused by this system, let us know. Until then, no point rehashing how stupid your beliefs are or that you have yet to provide a single data point. Bye.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You just don't quit eh?

    When you get some fine fine examples of actual citizens being abused by this system, let us know. Until then, no point rehashing how stupid your beliefs are or that you have yet to provide a single data point. Bye.
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