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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How do you know? The information is secret and needs to remain secret, right? So you can't know that for fact.
    Because though my life I have know loads of people that worked there. They don't give a crap about you.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Because though my life I have know loads of people that worked there. They don't give a crap about you.
    Well that's good, since it wasn't my argument. But if misrepresentation is how you have to go, then so be it.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well that's good, since it wasn't my argument. But if misrepresentation is how you have to go, then so be it.
    You asked 'how do you know?', I answered. If you don't want answers, the best bet is to not ask questions.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You asked 'how do you know?', I answered. If you don't want answers, the best bet is to not ask questions.
    I asked of OldWorld as his argument was that things are secret and need to remain secret but then tried to claim knowledge of the aggregate system. To which, I asked him how he could know if things are secret and need to be secret. It's called reading, you may want to try it out.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner says "Genuine (not bull****, there's a reason why he used that qualifier, and what OWO says about it not withstanding) NSA reform is a CONSTITUTIONAL and economic necessity" (my emphasis). The existence of the NSA is not the problem, constitutional compromise is, regardless of what the resident NSA employees/defenders say about it!
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is why I support a anti-spying amendment(which would also applies to companies as well) to supplement the 4th amendment. But it would probably be easier to strip funding from the NSA than to enact another amendment.
    We have an anti-spy amendment, we need a court that opens a can of whoopass everytime the President does **** like this, or anyone else for that matter.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We have an anti-spy amendment, we need a court that opens a can of whoopass everytime the President does **** like this, or anyone else for that matter.
    Except no court with any understanding of these things would do that. So here we are. Half of the ignorant crying foul, half of the ignorant accepting it, and the knowledgeable saying "yeah, this is good".

    All this talk about kicking people out or putting other people in charge or whatever does nothing except for changing who the knowledgeable are. They're still going to say the same thing and the knowledgeable are going to be in charge sooner or later no matter what. So here we are...some of the powerless (ignorant) always raging against the powerful (knowledgeable). Almost leftist in nature, when you think about it.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I asked of OldWorld as his argument was that things are secret and need to remain secret but then tried to claim knowledge of the aggregate system. To which, I asked him how he could know if things are secret and need to be secret. It's called reading, you may want to try it out.
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Jim Sensenbrenner is not ignorant on the subject of intelligence. Check out his bio. He says for the constitution and for the economy, "GENUINE" reform must take place at the NSA. That's no small warning. Only anti-Americans and partisan NSA employees would oppose that.

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