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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There's no anger, just a desire to keep the Republic and to ensure freedom to the People. People vote for people to make decisions, but that doesn't mean those decisions are unlimited. Your second is correct, but it also doesn't mean that everyone who disagrees is innocent either. Thus it's useless platitude. My opinion is my own, I am free (for now) to express it and move towards ways to support it. Just because you like unregulated secret organizations and uncontrolled data aggregation doesn't mean everyone has to accept such a despotic system.
    Okay, well you're gonna be upset for a long time until you understand how things work. And it's not because everyone is corrupt or evil or dumb. So...good luck. The NSA will be watching you as you try to figure it out, let's hope (for the humor of it).
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Why, what are you trying to hide?
    Whatever they might make illegal tomorrow. Remember that collecting people's porn habits weren't for the purpose of education, but retaliation down the road.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Okay, well you're gonna be upset for a long time until you understand how things work. And it's not because everyone is corrupt or evil or dumb. So...good luck. The NSA will be watching you as you try to figure it out, let's hope (for the humor of it).
    They certainly are, they even patrol video games, so they're certainly watching and parsing as much as they possibly can regardless of consequence and implication.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They certainly are, they even patrol video games, so they're certainly watching and parsing as much as they possibly can regardless of consequence and implication.
    lol and see, that's why I can't take this seriously, They certainly are not. It'd be funny if they were but...lol no
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol and see, that's why I can't take this seriously, They certainly are not. It'd be funny if they were but...lol no
    How do you know? The information is secret and needs to remain secret, right? So you can't know that for fact.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They certainly are, they even patrol video games, so they're certainly watching and parsing as much as they possibly can regardless of consequence and implication.
    It's documented. But OWO is connected, a supporter and defender.

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's documented. But OWO is connected, a supporter and connected.
    Obviously so, it's why such large deflections of "they know what's best for us, shut up and accept it" are used when questioning actions of government.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How do you know? The information is secret and needs to remain secret, right? So you can't know that for fact.
    Because I worked at the KRSOC* for many years, and know all the OVSC (Oversight) and USSID (United States Signals Intelligence Directive) training that people have to go through, and how many times things are audited, and how short of a leash all that is on. How much trouble you can get into for very simple mistakes, let alone things that are malicious in nature. And it's absolutely laughable. But okay, Ikari. Continue to think they have a team of guys working around the clock on you. How many people do you think work at the NSA anyway?

    *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunia_Regional_SIGINT_Operations_Center
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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Because I worked at the KRSOC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunia_Regional_SIGINT_Operations_Center for many years, and know all the OVSC (Oversight) and USSID (United States Signals Intelligence Directive) training that people have to go through, and how many times things are audited, and how short of a leash all that is on. How much trouble you can get into for very simple mistakes, let alone things that are malicious in nature. And it's absolutely laughable. But okay, Ikari. Continue to think they have a team of guys working around the clock on you. How many people do you think work at the NSA anyway?
    But it's secret, you only heard what they thought you could hear. What if there's more that's secret because, well these things need to be secret. How much information were you entitled to in your "job"? How much clearance did you really have?

    I didn't say they had a team of guys working around the clock on me. I said they are trying to parse as much data as they can, which is true. But if you can't keep your arguments honest, I guess that just says more about you than anything else.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The NSA's Reach Might Be Even Bigger Than We Thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But it's secret, you only heard what they thought you could hear. What if there's more that's secret because, well these things need to be secret. How much information were you entitled to in your "job"? How much clearance did you really have?
    lol, that's not paranoid at all.

    I didn't say they had a team of guys working around the clock on me. I said they are trying to parse as much data as they can, which is true. But if you can't keep your arguments honest, I guess that just says more about you than anything else.
    I guess your paranoia says more about you than anything I could. You can lead a horse to water...
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