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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

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    I think you know nothing about asia. North Koreas do not think it's a great place to live and often are murdered for trying to flee. most of the countrys next to NK help people escaping. do you litterally know nothing about asia?
    It's full of commie pigs. I know that.
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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

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    It's full of commie pigs. I know that.
    I don't know how to react to you calling me a pig.....

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

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    Wow thats really interesting! once I get some time i'll look into this and give you the viewpoint from someone who lived in vietnam untill recently! but I whole heartedly disagree with the idea that they are doing good in the way of human rights to get in good with america. they have been moving forward for a very long time, when it comes to government policys and laws. perhaps the pressure from china is increasing this effort. But why do you just assume a country is doing right by it's people and strengthing it's economy is to get in good with america? it's a wee bit offensive lol
    I agree with you that VietNam's progress toward increasing human rights has anything to do with trying to appease America. VietNam and America didn't even have diplomatic relations for quite a while, so I have been extremely pleased over the past couple of decades to see normal relations between VietNam and America beginning to thaw and even grow friendly.

    I've been privileged in my life to have met so many VietNamese refugees from shortly after the war, people who are friendly, hard-working, humble and enduring. I came to care very much for many of them. Still, as much as these people embraced and flourished in their new home, they still had friends and family back in VietNam, and their hearts ached because they dared not return to visit them. That is no longer the case, and I for one am very happy about the warm relationship between our two countries now, and the ability for VietNamese-Americans to return to their homeland to visit family and friends. VietNam's progress over the past nearly 4 decades has led to this positive outcome, and I hope our two nations will continue to be friends and allies.

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

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    My first Buddhist teacher was a monk who had immigrated to the US after having spent years in a re-education camp and then a year in a refugee camp in Thailand. He suffered greatly. He damn sure didn't like the communists, but he still loved the Vietnamese people.

    As you well know, the Vietnamese people have been abused, occupied, controlled and shat upon for centuries. It is a testament to the strength of character of the Vietnamese people that they have persevered. Communism isn't working that well anywhere and Vietnam is no exception. I seriously doubt that anything close to the majority in the north ever wanted communism.

    Once I was way out in the back of somewhere in a little village whose name escapes me now. With the assistance of a Vietnamese interpreter I talked for a bit with what turned out to be a very wise village elder. Being young and not yet worldly I asked the old man if he support Ho Chi. After thinking to himself what a stupid question it was coming from an American kid holding a gun he could have said, "No, we love America and freedom" and all that bull**** most anyone would say to a conquering army. But he didn't say that. He pointed off in one direction and said that in that field is where they planted their rice and in another direction is where they travel to get their salt and where they go to catch their fish. He said that before Americans came there were the French and the village went to the same field to plant their rice and the same place to find salt and the same place to catch their fish. Before that is was the Japanese who came and the village still got there rice and their salt and their fish from the same places. Before that it was the Chinese who occupied their country and the villagers got their fish and salt and rice from the same places. He said, "We support the Americans, but after you leave the communists will come. We will still get our fish and rice and salt from the same places."

    I was stunned speechless. What a grand lesson I had learned from this uneducated old man in some tiny remote village. I have never forgotten it.

    Asians have a timeless perspective of things that Westerners find difficult to understand. Vietnamese have faced atrocities from many different governments. We can argue political philosophy of atrocities all day. What was in the past is not what is today nor will what is today be what is in the future. The people who died at My Lai are just as dead as the villagers who were slaughtered by the VC or the NVA. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it.
    Wow. Bravo. Just... Bravo! A seriously excellent post.

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

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    I don't know how to react to you calling me a pig.....
    Don't react at all. Certain people here will deliberately bait and insult hoping to anger someone else into breaking the rules. Simply ignore people you see are not interested in discussing your topic, but only want to bring in non-related topics and hostility. You are not required to respond to such nonsense, so don't!!

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

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    I don't know how to react to you calling me a pig.....
    There are some Vietnam Vets who can't forget the war and what happened after. When President Clinton decided to open diplomatic relations with Vietnam back in the 90's, most Vietnam Vets were adamantly against it. They still viewed Vietnam as an enemy of the United States. But now the vast majority of Vietnam Vets are happy that our two countries are moving ever closer and closer, becoming friends and allies. Notice I said the vast majority, but there will always be a few that will always view Vietnam as the enemy. Reasons vary, the one who called you and/or Vietnam filled with communist pigs is one of these. But he doesn't speak for all of us or even the vast majority of us. He speaks for a retaliative few. Take DiAnna's advice and ignore those.

    I for one have put the old wounds behind me and look forward to much friendlier relations between our two countries. I will be eternally grateful to Vietnam to putting an end to the killing fields of Cambodia. I viewed the fall of Phnom Penh and Saigon from the JUSMAGTHAI compound on Satorn Road in Bangkok back in April of 1975 and that was the saddest month of my life. Latter Vientiane also fell, but without a shot being fired. So many friends were left behind that year, left without knowing their fate. Friends I had made while in the military being stationed in Laos and Vietnam. That was hard. Years does not erase the sadness, but it does erase the hate and when one sees former enemies doing good things it means we no longer have to be enemies. Closure comes to most, but not all. But we all need to move on and meet today's realities as today and not as they were in the past. This old crusty military retiree welcomes our friendship and hopes it flourishes for a very long time to come.

    Just take DiAnna's advice, as posters can be quite cruel on this site. Just move on to the next post and have a good, decent conversation my friend.
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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    I don't quite follow? why would it be against peoples interests to distrupt this kind of growth?

    And is vietnam mostly irrelivent to most americans here ? just curious if we have made any impact on the global stage in your opinions
    Vietnam finds itself without significant allies and in the shadow of an increasingly aggressive China. I think this is why you are beginning to see Vietnam slowly open up. They notice countries like Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore in their own back yard prospering and forming partnerships with both China and America to balance the equation. They will find capitalism and friendship with the US to be a major economic boost and lift a lot of people out of poverty, not to mention give China a second thought when it comes to shooting at Vietnamese fishing boats. They would be wise to go about it slowly as they seem to be doing.

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    I'm always happy to see any country try to establish human rights. Hopefully, they will have some success. I work with two Vietnamese men who were in the S. Vietnam Air Force. They flew in conjunction with the USAF during the war. After we left they were rounded up and imprisoned for six years. When freed, they escaped to America. They can now return home to see their families, but they said it's best to blend in and keep a low profile.

    Maybe next they could drop mandatory voting on a ballot that contains the Party's candidate and a candidate with no qualifications to run a country.

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    I assume my word means nothing ? since I'm an evil brainwashed citizen of vietnam? :/
    Howdy Chocolate,

    Please continue your stories of Vietnam.

    Could you share, with us, your reasons for living in the U.S. ??

    Good day to you

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