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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    A particular SCOTUS judge left room for the same by stating that we should avoid degenerating into dictatorship by avoiding this such unconstitutional activity. But with a very conservative lean and your perennial partisan positions, I wouldn't expect you'd acknowledge the sins of a republican president. Rah rah, your team.
    I understand Bush's justification, but I do agree that it opened the door for massive abuse, as we're seeung now.
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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

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    I understand Bush's justification, but I do agree that it opened the door for massive abuse, as we're seeung now.
    And I believe you open yourself to "understanding Bush's justification" because of your very conservative lean and the fact that Bush professed to be a conservative republican. Bush got away with it because of partisan support that would block holding him accountable, pissing off the left. Now we have Obama doing the same, and worse, as you have correctly observed, and similarly we have the left and very left understanding Obama's justification for worse behavior than Bush. And so, because of partisan support that would block holding him accountable, the right is pissed off. This is what partisan support does when opposed to constitutional support. And it makes some few of us very frustrated.

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

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    Vietnam pursues policy to protect human rights - Politics & Laws | Politics, Business, Economy, Society, Life, Sports - VietNam News - VietNam News
    Vietnam is moving in the right direction and I am so so happy that they are working so hard to fix these things. (To be honest we were lacking some human rights)

    I hope you don't mind me throwing out some news about vietnam Since I obviously follow it quite a bit It's really progressed quite well in quite a short time period maybe america can learn something from it? :P but probely not
    Is that link a Vietnamese website?
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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And I believe you open yourself to "understanding Bush's justification" because of your very conservative lean and the fact that Bush professed to be a conservative republican. Bush got away with it because of partisan support that would block holding him accountable, pissing off the left. Now we have Obama doing the same, and worse, as you have correctly observed, and similarly we have the left and very left understanding Obama's justification for worse behavior than Bush. And so, because of partisan support that would block holding him accountable, the right is pissed off. This is what partisan support does when opposed to constitutional support. And it makes some few of us very frustrated.
    The partisanship started when the Clinton loaded FISA court turned down 21 warrants in the 12 months post 9/11. Bush waa listening to phone calls between The United States and places like Pakistan. Obama's listening to everybody
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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

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    Is that link a Vietnamese website?
    It's the state run media.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And I believe you open yourself to "understanding Bush's justification" because of your very conservative lean and the fact that Bush professed to be a conservative republican. Bush got away with it because of partisan support that would block holding him accountable, pissing off the left. Now we have Obama doing the same, and worse, as you have correctly observed, and similarly we have the left and very left understanding Obama's justification for worse behavior than Bush. And so, because of partisan support that would block holding him accountable, the right is pissed off. This is what partisan support does when opposed to constitutional support. And it makes some few of us very frustrated.
    As is the way in Washington and the die hards on both sides, it all depends on whom and what party the president is from. When a president is from my party does something, it if perfectly alright and I will defend it to the max. When a president from the other party does the same thing, it is wrong and perhaps evil and I want him prosecuted or impeached for doing it.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The partisanship started when the Clinton loaded FISA court turned down 21 warrants in the 12 months post 9/11. Bush waa listening to phone calls between The United States and places like Pakistan. Obama's listening to everybody
    It was still warrantless and drew the ire of the Supreme Court justice noted prior. And furthermore what kind of a defense is it that what Obama's doing is worse? Would you let anybody get away with that. These are the kinds of things that have to be nipped in the bud which is precisely what O'Conner was saying. Please stop defending Bush on this, we've had no defendable presidents in a long time. Presidents think that if they do it (yeah, IT, anything) it's not illegal. Ask Richard Nixon, well, you know what I mean.

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It was still warrantless and drew the ire of the Supreme Court justice noted prior. And furthermore what kind of a defense is it that what Obama's doing is worse? Would you let anybody get away with that. These are the kinds of things that have to be nipped in the bud which is precisely what O'Conner was saying. Please stop defending Bush on this, we've had no defendable presidents in a long time. Presidents think that if they do it (yeah, IT, anything) it's not illegal. Ask Richard Nixon, well, you know what I mean.
    I'm not defending what Bush did. Don't let your Liberal lean cause you to interpret anything less than, "he lied about Iraq", "9/11 was an inside job", "he was AWOL", as defending him. I'm telling you why he did what he did; never once condoned it.
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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Annnd my thread about the positive steps that gets shot down by paranoid idiots who know nothing about vietnam, and an argument about what a past president did was okay.... which as far as I am aware I didnt post ANYTHING about wire tapping and if thats okay or not.

    Oh and by the way idiots like apdst that refuses to see anything a communist government do was a good thing I'd like to tell you as a person who lived nearly all of my life there, me and the majority of people are happy with the changes and they have been getting better and better. Are you just mad that you lost the war? or are you seriously so full of hate you ignore any and all good vietnam does?

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Is that link a Vietnamese website?
    Yeah it is. hence why it's not mainstream media, should I ignore anything Fox says? or NBC? because they are american media? No. the media openly goes against the government at times. these are real changes that are giving the country real benifits it's not just propoganda ~born and raised in vietnam~

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