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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    I read a book once written by a man in South Vietnam that was put into a reeducation camp after America left. I can't remember the name of the book but believe me they were certainly not into human rights then.

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It still doesn't excuse the atrocities committed by the Vietnamese Communists.
    No it doesn't. But it helped me get over 10 years of being in Southeast Asia. Then the question remains, do we hold the current leaders accountable for what previous leaders did 30-40 years ago. Is Merkel held responsible for Hitler or Shinzo responsible for Tojo? People and countries change, old enemies become friends and friends become enemies. Vietnam is becoming closer and closer to us, we even have military dialog s going on between our top military officials.

    For me that war ended in 1978, I put it behind me. I suggest you find a way to do that also if you are that old.
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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    And America's skirts are clean? Who put us on a pedestal and why should we be there?
    Our skirts are clean compared to the Communists around the globe, including the Vietnamese.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    No it doesn't. But it helped me get over 10 years of being in Southeast Asia. Then the question remains, do we hold the current leaders accountable for what previous leaders did 30-40 years ago. Is Merkel held responsible for Hitler or Shinzo responsible for Tojo? People and countries change, old enemies become friends and friends become enemies. Vietnam is becoming closer and closer to us, we even have military dialog s going on between our top military officials.

    For me that war ended in 1978, I put it behind me. I suggest you find a way to do that also if you are that old.
    By that logic, we should forgive the Nazis as well.
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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I read a book once written by a man in South Vietnam that was put into a reeducation camp after America left. I can't remember the name of the book but believe me they were certainly not into human rights then.
    I'm sure they still aren't. A skunk doesn't change it's stripes.
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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    maybe america can learn something from it? :P but probely not
    If Americans want to learn what an actual, state-run, one-party-mouthpiece "news" source looks like, they can go to your link.

    Vietnam pursues policy to protect human rights - Politics & Laws | Politics, Business, Economy, Society, Life, Sports - VietNam News - VietNam News

    But learn about "human rights" from recent developments in Vietnam? You're right, no.
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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I read a book once written by a man in South Vietnam that was put into a reeducation camp after America left. I can't remember the name of the book but believe me they were certainly not into human rights then.
    My first Buddhist teacher was a monk who had immigrated to the US after having spent years in a re-education camp and then a year in a refugee camp in Thailand. He suffered greatly. He damn sure didn't like the communists, but he still loved the Vietnamese people.

    As you well know, the Vietnamese people have been abused, occupied, controlled and shat upon for centuries. It is a testament to the strength of character of the Vietnamese people that they have persevered. Communism isn't working that well anywhere and Vietnam is no exception. I seriously doubt that anything close to the majority in the north ever wanted communism.

    Once I was way out in the back of somewhere in a little village whose name escapes me now. With the assistance of a Vietnamese interpreter I talked for a bit with what turned out to be a very wise village elder. Being young and not yet worldly I asked the old man if he support Ho Chi. After thinking to himself what a stupid question it was coming from an American kid holding a gun he could have said, "No, we love America and freedom" and all that bull**** most anyone would say to a conquering army. But he didn't say that. He pointed off in one direction and said that in that field is where they planted their rice and in another direction is where they travel to get their salt and where they go to catch their fish. He said that before Americans came there were the French and the village went to the same field to plant their rice and the same place to find salt and the same place to catch their fish. Before that is was the Japanese who came and the village still got there rice and their salt and their fish from the same places. Before that it was the Chinese who occupied their country and the villagers got their fish and salt and rice from the same places. He said, "We support the Americans, but after you leave the communists will come. We will still get our fish and rice and salt from the same places."

    I was stunned speechless. What a grand lesson I had learned from this uneducated old man in some tiny remote village. I have never forgotten it.

    Asians have a timeless perspective of things that Westerners find difficult to understand. Vietnamese have faced atrocities from many different governments. We can argue political philosophy of atrocities all day. What was in the past is not what is today nor will what is today be what is in the future. The people who died at My Lai are just as dead as the villagers who were slaughtered by the VC or the NVA. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it.










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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    I don't quite follow? why would it be against peoples interests to distrupt this kind of growth?

    And is vietnam mostly irrelivent to most americans here ? just curious if we have made any impact on the global stage in your opinions
    Given your neighbor to the North, the recent troubles with your neighbor to the West, and our increasing trade ties, I don't think Vietnam is irrelevant at all. If this step is backed by real enforcement of those protections, then that is excellent.

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    I meant does vietnam have any impact on the global stage from your viewpoint, and I don't think all the changes in the country are making it more democractic nearly every election I have seen and voted in are democratic, fair, lawful and done in a very safe manner. it's considered a successes for the people.
    It seems that little by little Hanoi is figuring out that if they want full acceptance in the international trade community they need to adjust some of their policies. It is, however, kind of sad that it took nearly 40 years for them to figure out that "reeducation camps" are not a great way to stimulate an economy.

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    Re: Vietnam Protecting human rights

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By that logic, we should forgive the Nazis as well.
    There long dead, gone. Feel free to hate them all you want, no big thing. But I prefer to live in today and not yesterday. What has today's Vietnam done to make them our enemy? To cause us to hate them? Nothing really outside of moving toward Capitalism while we steadily move the other way. I have nothing against Vietnam's present day leaders because they aren't yesterdays leaders and I sure do not have anything against the Vietnamese people.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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