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    China and Japan would be foolish to war over "rocks" Sha Zukang

    Former Chinese ambassador to the UN says a war between Japan and China would be bigger than WW11!



    If China started a war with Japan, it would be much larger than both the Sino-Japanese War (1894-95) and World War II (1931-45), said Sha. The United States and Japan should cooperate with China to maintain regional peace.

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    Re: China and Japan would be foolish to war over "rocks" Sha Zukang

    Too bad China is foolish enough to do that.

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    Re: China and Japan would be foolish to war over "rocks" Sha Zukang

    This won't happen. China nor Japan are definitely not foolish enough to create an armed conflict over this. Anyone who is familiar with cold war style diplomacy otherwise known as brinkmanship should be able to predict how this will generally pan out.
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    Re: China and Japan would be foolish to war over "rocks" Sha Zukang

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    This won't happen. China nor Japan are definitely not foolish enough to create an armed conflict over this. Anyone who is familiar with cold war style diplomacy otherwise known as brinkmanship should be able to predict how this will generally pan out.
    The thing is, there is far more than just those "rocks" at issue. China's military spending has been on steroids for the last decade or so and oil is big factor for the South China Sea, which many nations in the region lay claim to. Including Haliburton, apparently.

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    Re: China and Japan would be foolish to war over "rocks" Sha Zukang

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The thing is, there is far more than just those "rocks" at issue. China's military spending has been on steroids for the last decade or so and oil is big factor for the South China Sea, which many nations in the region lay claim to. Including Haliburton, apparently.
    Well if I were China that would seem like a fairly good idea when considering their largest rivals are years ahead in military technology. Despite that however, I don't really see China threatening Japan seriously. Japan is way to large of a risk considering their economic importance and close alliance to the U.S.

    Also the proposed airspace disputed is over the East China Sea. The South China Sea is indeed disputed by countries such as Thailand, Vietnam, China and Indonesia, but it is not the point of contention here.
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    Re: China and Japan would be foolish to war over "rocks" Sha Zukang

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Well if I were China that would seem like a fairly good idea when considering their largest rivals are years ahead in military technology. Despite that however, I don't really see China threatening Japan seriously. Japan is way to large of a risk considering their economic importance and close alliance to the U.S.

    Also the proposed airspace disputed is over the East China Sea. The South China Sea is indeed disputed by countries such as Thailand, Vietnam, China and Indonesia, but it is not the point of contention here.
    Oh sure, I understand the difference between the east and South China Sea. My point is just that China is preparing for war and its not just about the "rocks" in the op.

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    Re: China and Japan would be foolish to war over "rocks" Sha Zukang

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh sure, I understand the difference between the east and South China Sea. My point is just that China is preparing for war and its not just about the "rocks" in the op.
    I totally disagree. China had been on a streak of improving it's relations throughout the world. They have increased foreign trade substantially over the past 20 years.

    What this is about is China asserting itself in its own backyard. Similar to America's attempts to assert it's dominance in the western hemisphere in the late 19th century.
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    Re: China and Japan would be foolish to war over "rocks" Sha Zukang

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    I totally disagree. China had been on a streak of improving it's relations throughout the world. They have increased foreign trade substantially over the past 20 years.

    What this is about is China asserting itself in its own backyard. Similar to America's attempts to assert it's dominance in the western hemisphere in the late 19th century.
    President Obama went to Australia in Nov. 2011 and announced he would be stationing the Marines there and told east Asia, this is to let you know that the US is in town just incase China starts any ****. The Chinese president responded by telling his commanders to prepare for war. The US is building the largest military base EVER in Guam and in Dec. following Obama's announcement, Leon Panetta announced that the Pentagon would be moving 60% of its assets to the WestPac. What's developing in that region is no small thing.

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    Re: China and Japan would be foolish to war over "rocks" Sha Zukang

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The thing is, there is far more than just those "rocks" at issue. China's military spending has been on steroids for the last decade or so and oil is big factor for the South China Sea, which many nations in the region lay claim to. Including Haliburton, apparently.
    Only because their economy has been on steroids.

    Their military spending as a % of GDP has remained relatively constant - and is WAY below America's and Russia's and is noticeably below such 'peaceful' countries as G.B., France and India.

    List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    File:China published military budget by percent of GNP.tiff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Last edited by DA60; 12-09-13 at 09:53 PM.

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    Re: China and Japan would be foolish to war over "rocks" Sha Zukang

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Only because their economy has been on steroids.

    Their military spending as a % of GDP has remained relatively constant - and is WAY below America's, Japan's, Russia's and many other major world powers.

    List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    File:China published military budget by percent of GNP.tiff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    No country spends more than China on military save the US. And they aren't done, just recently they announced that their carrier group is comparable to the US. Not saying too much, but if the US had to defend Japan against China it won't be anything like fighting the other countries we've been kicking around over the last few decades.

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