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    Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

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    Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh has dropped yet another bombshell allegation: President Obama wasn't honest with the American people when he blamed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for a sarin-gas attack in that killed hundreds of civilians.

    In early September, Secretary of State John Kerry said the United States had proof that the nerve-gas attack was made on Assad's orders. "We know the Assad regime was responsible," President Obama told the nation in an address days after this revelation, which he said pushed him over the "red line" in considering military intervention.

    But in a long story published Sunday for the London Review of Books, Hersh — best known for his exposés on the cover-ups of the My Lai Massacre and of Abu Ghraib – said the administration "cherry-picked intelligence," citing conversations with intelligence and military officials.

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    A former senior intelligence official told me that the Obama administration had altered the available information – in terms of its timing and sequence – to enable the president and his advisers to make intelligence retrieved days after the attack look as if it had been picked up and analysed in real time, as the attack was happening. The distortion, he said, reminded him of the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, when the Johnson administration reversed the sequence of National Security Agency intercepts to justify one of the early bombings of North Vietnam. The same official said there was immense frustration inside the military and intelligence bureaucracy: ‘The guys are throwing their hands in the air and saying, “How can we help this guy” – Obama – “when he and his cronies in the White House make up the intelligence as they go along?”’
    Question: Do you believe that Seymour Hersh is is telling the truth about Obama not being honest with the American people? If so, what level of effect will this have on an already embattled president who has lost the trust of the majority of Americans? Or, will this blow over/not gain traction due in large part that we didn't attack Syria?

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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Question: Do you believe that Seymour Hersh is is telling the truth about Obama not being honest with the American people?
    No idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    If so, what level of effect will this have on an already embattled president who has lost the trust of the majority of Americans? Or, will this blow over/not gain traction due in large part that we didn't attack Syria?
    Probably none.
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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post

    Probably none.
    If this turns out to be true (and this is also the guy who exposed Abu Graib), I have to agree. I think the national attention is too focused on Obamacare and the Economy to care. And with the way news media are today, they won't run it with so little interest. And the Republicans are nearly to the point of having an orgasm over Obamacare at this moment, so I doubt they'd divert the story for something people don't have an interest with. My second question is to whether this is a bad thing or not? What I mean is, shouldn't this be something that everyone knows? Or, is this "not a big deal"?

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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Could we have been lied to? Yes
    Was important info withheld? Yes
    Could the rebels been the ones responsible? Yes
    Will we ever know the 100% truth? No.


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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Until just very recently, when Seymour Hersh published a news story or an opinion piece liberals/ progressives use to agree with every word Hersh said.

    Seymour Hersh was held in such high esteem by the left just as Bob Woodward of the Washington Post was until Woodward exposed that the sequestration was actually Obama's sequestration. That the idea of the sequestration came from the Obama White House and Obama would pull a fast one, instead of blaming G.W. Bush he would blame the Republicans.

    Hersh just recently attacked the American media for giving Obama a complete pass going back to 2008 and never challenging Obama. Especially with the attacks on the American consulate in Benghazi.

    When a leftist President looses Hersh and Woodward it's time to do the right thing like what LBJ did when he lost Walter Cronkite. But since Obama has already been reelected, it's time for Obama to do what Nixon did, resign.

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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Until just very recently, when Seymour Hersh published a news story or an opinion piece liberals/ progressives use to agree with every word Hersh said.
    Not true, but OK.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Seymour Hersh was held in such high esteem by the left just as Bob Woodward of the Washington Post was until Woodward exposed that the sequestration was actually Obama's sequestration. That the idea of the sequestration came from the Obama White House and Obama would pull a fast one, instead of blaming G.W. Bush he would blame the Republicans.
    You think THAT'S when Bob Woodward lost his standing with "the left"? I'd say it's when he wrote a book jerking off George W. Bush's run-up to the Iraq War that did it.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hersh just recently attacked the American media for giving Obama a complete pass going back to 2008 and never challenging Obama. Especially with the attacks on the American consulate in Benghazi.
    No matter how many times people claim the media "never challenged Obama," it's simply not true. The national media is derelict of duty in many ways, and they were a little soft on him at the beginning, but the notion that he was "never challenged" is false.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    When a leftist President looses Hersh and Woodward it's time to do the right thing like what LBJ did when he lost Walter Cronkite. But since Obama has already been reelected, it's time for Obama to do what Nixon did, resign.
    There is absolutely no reason for Obama to resign the presidency. None.
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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Could we have been lied to? Yes
    Was important info withheld? Yes
    Could the rebels been the ones responsible? Yes
    Will we ever know the 100% truth? No.
    Final Question:
    Does this matter? Should it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You think THAT'S when Bob Woodward lost his standing with "the left"? I'd say it's when he wrote a book jerking off George W. Bush's run-up to the Iraq War that did it.
    Wait, I thought Woodward was the guy who wrote the book criticizing Bush's run up to the Iraq War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    No matter how many times people claim the media "never challenged Obama," it's simply not true. The national media is derelict of duty in many ways, and they were a little soft on him at the beginning, but the notion that he was "never challenged" is false.
    Really? Before this year, and beginning of his second term, they seemed pretty soft on things to me. I mean, why are we just now hearing stories about the Obamacare website. Shouldn't information about it not being ready been talked about *before* it was release? Was it just possible that liberal journalist ignored it, assuming everything would be okay? Or what about how the Afghanistan War is a non-issue, to the point it is largely ignored, in comparison to the round the clock treatment Iraq got?

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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Wait, I thought Woodward was the guy who wrote the book criticizing Bush's run up to the Iraq War?
    He did. He wrote both. Bush At War was basically a 400-page blow job dealing with the run-up to the war. State of Denial was harshly critical of the execution of the war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Really? Before this year, and beginning of his second term, they seemed pretty soft on things to me. I mean, why are we just now hearing stories about the Obamacare website. Shouldn't information about it not being ready been talked about *before* it was release? Was it just possible that liberal journalist ignored it, assuming everything would be okay?
    Or, more likely, nobody in the media knew that it was going to be nonfunctional on release.

    We're "just now" hearing stories about the website? Pretty sure we were hearing those stories on Oct. 1, when the site launched and was an unmitigated disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Or what about how the Afghanistan War is a non-issue, to the point it is largely ignored, in comparison to the round the clock treatment Iraq got?
    Iraq got round-the-clock treatment the first few years, at which point it became largely an afterthought. We've been in Afghanistan for 12 years now. The media basically ignoring Afghanistan predates Obama.
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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    He did. He wrote both. Bush At War was basically a 400-page blow job dealing with the run-up to the war. State of Denial was harshly critical of the execution of the war.
    Shouldn't the fact that he was so critical of him, lend him credibility for his first book? I mean, he either is a good, writer who strives for the truth or not. Maybe he saw the light and converted to Liberalism when Obama reached down his holy hand and told him, "Follow me, and I will lead the way."

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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Shouldn't the fact that he was so critical of him, lend him credibility for his first book? I mean, he either is a good, writer who strives for the truth or not. Maybe he saw the light and converted to Liberalism when Obama reached down his holy hand and told him, "Follow me, and I will lead the way."
    For starters, Newsweek hasn't been worth a bootful of warm piss in several years. It's been godawful since about 2005.

    Secondly ... huh?

    Woodward is a legend ... he's one of the guys who broke Watergate, for crying out loud. However, over the last 15 years or so, he's been little more than a toady who will kiss whoever's ass he has to in order to stay relevant. Then, of course, is the fact that he claimed that he received an email "threat" from the White House earlier this year, which turned out to be an absolute crock.
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