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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    So now you're calling Kobie stupid..
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    Woodward, as all analysts are, is limited by available sources. We didn't really get the negative picture until afterwards, when the Administration began to crack and especially Powell started fighting the rest of the Principles. The idea that Woodward has to be either "anti" whatever Bush was or was for in order for him to have credibility is as stupid as the idea that he wasn't credible unless he was a cheerleader.
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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

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    So now you're calling Kobie stupid..
    Hey, if the shoe fits ...

    LOL No, he wasn't calling me stupid. However, the "limited by sources" argument doesn't hold up much when talking about Woodward. He had almost unprecedented access in the Bush White House.
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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    I think we were misled by the Obama administration about Syria. I'm certainly happy that we didn't bomb and invade them. Maybe now we can get on the correct side in the matter, and it is not same side al Quada and the Saudis are on. I also believe that this is standard operating procedure in every administration and think that a greater issue should be made of it. Just like Bush ginning up the correct/filtered/selective arguments for attacking Iraq. Let's just call it all Bullcrap and make these administrations suffer for taking advantage of our gullibility and nave trust.

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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Question: Do you believe that Seymour Hersh is is telling the truth about Obama not being honest with the American people? If so, what level of effect will this have on an already embattled president who has lost the trust of the majority of Americans? Or, will this blow over/not gain traction due in large part that we didn't attack Syria?

    Seymour Hersh Alleges Obama Administration Lied on Syria Gas Attack
    Very typical of US presidents to lie us (or cherry pick) us into war. Libya was a good ex. Hillary Clinton/Susan Rice both lied about Qaddafi's troops
    all using Viagra, and rape. Not that it didn't happen - unfortunately rape is a war weapon in many parts of Africa.

    But Clinton used her position, and gender to just lie:
    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last week said she was "deeply concerned" that Gaddafi's troops were participating in widespread rape in Libya. "Rape, physical intimidation, sexual harassment, and even so-called 'virginity tests' have taken place in countries throughout the region," she said.
    Amnesty questions claim that Gaddafi ordered rape as weapon of war - Africa - World - The Independent

    I'm sure there were some doubts about the rockets. heck this is the fog of war, nothing is empiracle.

    What REALLY stopped us from entering that cauldron of internecine war; was the Brits not allowing David Cameron to join in.
    Left Obama isolated diplomatically, and he punted to Congress, who had no stomach for it.

    So the outcome was good (there is no good option in Syria), and Hersh is a trusted source, but who really knows..
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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    I notice this story is being summarily ignored by the main stream media today? Why is that? Has the administration reached a tipping point where it can't handle any more facts coming out about its failures?

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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Question: Do you believe that Seymour Hersh is is telling the truth about Obama not being honest with the American people? If so, what level of effect will this have on an already embattled president who has lost the trust of the majority of Americans? Or, will this blow over/not gain traction due in large part that we didn't attack Syria?

    Seymour Hersh Alleges Obama Administration Lied on Syria Gas Attack
    First answer of mine is yes. Second answer is probably none, Obama has already proven to have weathered the Syria storm with only minor damage to his credibility and poll numbers. The real damage to him there has been recent and self inflicted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    For starters, Newsweek hasn't been worth a bootful of warm piss in several years. It's been godawful since about 2005.

    Secondly ... huh?

    Woodward is a legend ... he's one of the guys who broke Watergate, for crying out loud. However, over the last 15 years or so, he's been little more than a toady who will kiss whoever's ass he has to in order to stay relevant. Then, of course, is the fact that he claimed that he received an email "threat" from the White House earlier this year, which turned out to be an absolute crock.
    That is a nice opinion and all but Woodward has written several well received and very journalistic studies on the last two presidencies and their administrations. He was not kissing their ass with his work which was critical of both and landed him in many public outlets (Face the Nation et al) where he was able to expand and go even deeper into his critisisms. Likewise, how did you arrive at the conclusion that the warning Woodward spoke of from the White House, which is similar to claims by many other reputable journalist and organizations, turned out to be an absolute crock? Jay Carney or someone with the same presidential press corp that never lets the POTUS know about anything in the news until right before press conferences where the POTUS gets questions about stories the rest of the press and public know about and have for weeks and sometimes months?

    Lastly, Newsweek not only has been godawful since forever, but since earlier this year as a publication, it has been dead. Though it apparently plans a return to print.
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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Seward View Post
    First answer of mine is yes. Second answer is probably none, Obama has already proven to have weathered the Syria storm with only minor damage to his credibility and poll numbers. The real damage to him there has been recent and self inflicted.
    The issue with Syria and why he has "weathered it", was largely due to the fact that he didn't go in, not that he lied, which I think is two completely different subjects. One was a difference of opinion, and because he listened to Americans. it was live and let live. But the fact that he (may of) lied to coerce the nation towards military action, especially after what (many believe) Bush did in the lead up to the Iraq War, can be devastating. Think about it, this is one area Obama can claim the high ground in when it comes to foreign policy, I think if this got out, it can add to the growing narrative that Obama is a liar.

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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Question: Do you believe that Seymour Hersh is is telling the truth about Obama not being honest with the American people? If so, what level of effect will this have on an already embattled president who has lost the trust of the majority of Americans? Or, will this blow over/not gain traction due in large part that we didn't attack Syria?

    Seymour Hersh Alleges Obama Administration Lied on Syria Gas Attack
    It probably is no big thing. I have seen no coverage of it on the news and the reason may very well be is we didn't bomb Syria. This is what the majority of Americans wanted, no bombing. With no bombing whether or not Obama manlipulated the intel, no one really cares except some political junkies on the right.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It probably is no big thing. I have seen no coverage of it on the news and the reason may very well be is we didn't bomb Syria. This is what the majority of Americans wanted, no bombing. With no bombing whether or not Obama manlipulated the intel, no one really cares except some political junkies on the right.
    Why should it only be that the right would be concerned with a president (potentially) falsifying evidence in an attempt to get the country to do what he wanted? Shouldn't be a problem for everyone?

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    Re: Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh Believes Obama Lied about Syria

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    Final Question:
    Does this matter?
    Absolutely

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