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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol okay

    I'm sorry that you think classified things should be open to the public if they just really, really, really wanna know bad enough. It doesn't work that way and, thankfully, it never will.
    You misstate my point, your posts generally seem too incisive/canny for you to be simply unaware of that... be that as it may, again, we will just have to agree to disagree.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    You misstate my point, your posts generally seem too incisive/canny for you to be simply unaware of that... be that as it may, again, we will just have to agree to disagree.
    I distill your point: there's things you think you should know, simply because you want to know them. Unfortunately, they cannot be widely disseminated. You don't care about that, you just want to know. Unfortunately, your desire doesn't really matter.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I distill your point: there's things you think you should know, simply because you want to know them. Unfortunately, they cannot be widely disseminated. You don't care about that, you just want to know. Unfortunately, your desire doesn't really matter.
    Slight mis-guage there [ pun mandatory ]. As I thought I had clearly stated, I don't have to know personally. I want someone I can trust to have given it at least the once over, thorough once over. I don't trust at all those that are telling me whats what now. I have a right to that, as a citizen, as a pretty good citizen. We all do.

    Nobody said anything particularly about anything being widely distributed.

    Yet if someone I trust thinks it should be, well, I might probably be with them on that. That is the expectation we have of anybody, any good body...cause if you don't know the truth and you don't wanna know...what good is knowing much of anything?
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Slight mis-guage there [ pun mandatory ]. As I thought I had clearly stated, I don't have to know personally. I want someone I can trust to have given it at least the once over, thorough once over. I don't trust at all those that are telling me whats what now. I have a right to that, as a citizen, as a pretty good citizen. We all do.

    Nobody said anything particularly about anything being widely distributed.

    Yet if someone I trust thinks it should be, well, I might probably be with them on that. That is the expectation we have of anybody, any good body...cause if you don't know the truth and you don't wanna know...what good is knowing much of anything?
    It's going to be widely distributed if you have have random people get access to anything you want, whenever you want. That's exactly why things are classified. And again, all you want is "new people". Vote for new representatives, then.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It's going to be widely distributed if you have have random people get access to anything you want, whenever you want. That's exactly why things are classified. And again, all you want is "new people". Vote for new representatives, then.
    Got it, unpersuasive, but got it.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Got it, unpersuasive, but got it.
    Good. I, too, remain unpersuaded that random people should have access to classified information simply because some people think they should.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So it's still gonna basically be a branch of the federal government. So what, again, is the difference? The legislative branch already has oversight: you just don't like the decisions they make. Are we to continue creating more and more branches until you get a conclusion that you like?
    Bull****. Certain members of the legislative branch are read-in, but even then, not 100% of the time.

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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Got it, unpersuasive, but got it.
    This is a bi-partisan resolution, with 80% chance of passage by the House, sponsored by a Republican (yep, surprise) and co-sponsored by a Democrat. There remains one here who is arguing that Americans don't need to be privy to the inter workings, fine details, and operational proceedures of the intelligence community. That is nonsense, I've seen NOBODY ask for that. Obviously, the House agrees that there is information (that would not compromise national security) that needs to be presented to the public. My hunch is that it will be information that dovetails with other disclosures that our intelligence agencies need an overhaul. This sentiment is being voiced around America (and abroad let's not forget) by people from all different walks of life. People want to be secure, they want intelligence agencies to do the jobs they were created and tasked for. But from Ben Franklin to the present, Americans understand that compromising liberties for security will deprive them of both. So yeah, let's take a look at what's in those 28 pages!!
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Bull****. Certain members of the legislative branch are read-in, but even then, not 100% of the time.
    No one said they all were read-in, so what are you saying bull**** for? The legislative branch already has oversight. That's a fact.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Everyone is jumping to conclusions because of their vast knowledge and experience dealing with classified information.
    I'm not jumping to conclusions at all. It is old news indeed that the federal government's modus operandi is deception. US v Reynolds, 345US1 is from 1953, in which the government deliberately lied to the Court.

    A more compelling question is "does the government EVER tell the truth?"

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