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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    American citizens concerned about their civil liberties are not insisting on being in the loop when it comes to intelligence and State Dept. internal policy, that's just a red herring. What they want are ASSURANCES (which is much more than words and lip service) that their civil liberties are not being violated! Period. Since there have been many professors, constitutional lawyers, politicians (even within the senate intelligence committee) investigative journalists, groups such as the ACLU (and many other groups) SCOTUS judge, ex-president and many others expressing concerns over the NSA's over reach, it deserves the attention it is getting, it is not conspiracy theory and won't be marginalized as such. Jim Sensenbrenner's recent statement, further evidences the necessity of real reform to this agency.

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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So only this jury, this fourth branch would know? Or would they tell the entire world? What events would call this jury into action?
    Hey, not to worry, we'll let you know... I mean, you do not seem all that concerned anyhow, you just want to leave it up to others, even the ones you know are lying to you.



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    Democracy is pathetic, no one wants that. Republic...well, that's what we have.
    You know very well that a Republic is a representative form of democracy. Truly, why play that kinda game?
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Half of everyone is dumber than average. I don't trust idiots. I'm sorry.

    That still doesn't confront your idea that people that are in the know are too close, and people that aren't too close don't know enough. How does that fix that, because you seem to have come up with a perfectly horrible logic trap there.
    You can have independent people, people who actually care about what is right and are not beholden to special interests, do not have those long deep hooks in them like those employed by the government inherently just do... people who are familiar enough, smart enough, to get into a situation and learn more than enough to decide if wrong is being done... you can pretend its just too too complicated, but a dogged approach by a determined person can shed a whole lot of light on something that could probably use a little sunshine every once in a while.

    Sunshine is often a darned good antiseptic.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Hey, not to worry, we'll let you know... I mean, you do not seem all that concerned anyhow, you just want to leave it up to others, even the ones you know are lying to you.
    Who's lying to me?

    You know very well that a Republic is a representative form of democracy. Truly, why play that kinda game?
    Because you're pushing direct democracy, in which everyone's opinions are equal. I'm sorry, stupid people's opinions aren't equal to intelligent people's. That's why we have a republic.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    You can have independent people, people who actually care about what is right and are not beholden to special interests, do not have those long deep hooks in them like those employed by the government inherently just do... people who are familiar enough, smart enough, to get into a situation and learn more than enough to decide if wrong is being done... you can pretend its just too too complicated, but a dogged approach by a determined person can shed a whole lot of light on something that could probably use a little sunshine every once in a while.

    Sunshine is often a darned good antiseptic.
    Who says those people don't exist now? You? Simply because you don't like the conclusions they're coming to?

    Sunshine also gives cancer. Things will always be classified: you won't know them. And that's good.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Who's lying to me?



    Because you're pushing direct democracy, in which everyone's opinions are equal. I'm sorry, stupid people's opinions aren't equal to intelligent people's. That's why we have a republic.
    Too long a list.

    I pushed nothing of the sort... so lets have some intellectual honesty here. Plus, I am not nearly as enamored with elitism as you seem... elites, often highly-educated university level idiots, get us in far more problem situations than normal everyday people just living their own lives... you see they seem to think they have a right to tell us how to live our lives as if they really had the answers.

    Direct democracy, btw, can work just fine in small increments, its just that if it becomes bigger and bigger it becomes too unwieldy, too many people and too many things to know and vote on.

    Our republic is currently in a similar situation where it, too, has become too big, too unwieldy. Government, the Federal government, has become almost a cancer, growing larger, taking over too much, taking ever larger bites, eating away our individual liberties with its voracious appetite...
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Too long a list.

    I pushed nothing of the sort... so lets have some intellectual honesty here. Plus, I am not nearly as enamored with elitism as you seem... elites, often highly-educated university level idiots, get us in far more problem situations than normal everyday people just living their own lives... you see they seem to think they have a right to tell us how to live our lives as if they really had the answers.
    Anyone who has enough intelligence can go work for the State Department, FBI, Capitol Hill, CIA, NSA, NGA, whatever. Nothing is stopping them. If you want to know, go work for them. If you don't want to work for them, I'm sorry: there's things you can't know. That's just the way it is.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Too long a list.

    I pushed nothing of the sort... so lets have some intellectual honesty here. Plus, I am not nearly as enamored with elitism as you seem... elites, often highly-educated university level idiots, get us in far more problem situations than normal everyday people just living their own lives... you see they seem to think they have a right to tell us how to live our lives as if they really had the answers.

    Direct democracy, btw, can work just fine in small increments, its just that if it becomes bigger and bigger it becomes too unwieldy, too many people and too many things to know and vote on.

    Our republic is currently in a similar situation where it, too, has become too big, too unwieldy. Government, the Federal government, has become almost a cancer, growing larger, taking over too much, taking ever larger bites, eating away our individual liberties with its voracious appetite...
    Don't allow the debate to be hi-jacked. It's not about people wanting to be privy to the inner workings of intelligence agencies, but about people demanding safeguards against civil liberties violations.

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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Anyone who has enough intelligence can go work for the State Department, FBI, Capitol Hill, CIA, NSA, NGA, whatever. Nothing is stopping them. If you want to know, go work for them. If you don't want to work for them, I'm sorry: there's things you can't know. That's just the way it is.
    Well, if that is the way you really want it, when the rest of us do find out, we will our best to try to keep it from you...

    That really is a ridiculous statement, and I have no doubt you are aware of the fact. So, you don't read any history, you don't listen to any news... is that it? I mean, those people didn't all "go work for the State Department, FBI, Capitol Hill, CIA, NSA, NGA..." and so could not really, not truly, know about what they speak, and you, being above all that, surely would not listen to them since they cannot really know, not being close enough to it, not actually working in the field of which they speak... am I right?

    Now you have gotten to the point of absurd. So, if I am concerned about more than one area, I should go to work for one, moonlight in another... what if I am concerned about even another area...

    Say for example, NSA spying on Americans, prying into areas they probably have no constitutional right to pry into unless there is probable cause... but then have global warming skeptic concerns... so I should try to get a job with the NSA to find out, then a second job at some university, maybe get my PhD in meteorology... but what should I do about that Benghazi thing now, perhaps part-time it at the State Department? Think they will hire me if I already have one full time and one part-time job?

    Then what if I want to know about...

    Well, you get my drift. Your view of how to solve the problem, by the time I get hired, get the proper advanced degrees, get into the right department [ they will no doubt put me where they want to put me, where there is an opening... maybe having nothing to do with where my interests lay ]... I mean, come on, get real.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Well, if that is the way you really want it, when the rest of us do find out, we will our best to try to keep it from you...
    lol okay

    I'm sorry that you think classified things should be open to the public if they just really, really, really wanna know bad enough. It doesn't work that way and, thankfully, it never will.
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