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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

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    I agree. What happens, for instance, if the US found out plans that terrorists want to commit certain acts? The future who, what, when, where, why and how could jeopardize more successful drone attacks.
    Yeah, the drone attacks are great. We don't need to jeopardize them cause some people on the internet are mad. Let's get serious.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Like...the government you elect?
    You think the Federal government is independent from the Federal government? How do you figure?
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Like the government you elect, for example?



    Nah.
    The first question is where the first nah comes into play... and I am talking an ombudsman elected/appointed by the people, not subject to government oversight or control.

    Then the second nah.

    Just have to agree to disagree.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    You think the Federal government is independent from the Federal government? How do you figure?
    Do you think the federal government is a monolithic entity?
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    The first question is where the first nah comes into play... and I am talking an ombudsman elected/appointed by the people, not subject to government oversight or control.
    So like...a second government? Like a different branch?
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Do you think the federal government is a monolithic entity?
    I think it is compartmentalized, and a lot of things that go wrong/bad we are, as a people, completely oblivious to and of... and even if rumored, we have no proof... proper heads do not roll, ills are perpetrated, not caught and so perpetuated, long term exacerbated.

    That answer your question?
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I think it is compartmentalized, and a lot of things that go wrong/bad we are, as a people, completely oblivious to and of... and even if rumored, we have no proof... proper heads do not roll, ills are perpetrated, not caught and so perpetuated, long term exacerbated.

    That answer your question?
    Sounds about right.

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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I think it is compartmentalized, and a lot of things that go wrong/bad we are, as a people, completely oblivious to and of... and even if rumored, we have no proof... proper heads do not roll, ills are perpetrated, not caught and so perpetuated, long term exacerbated.

    That answer your question?
    It does. It's compartmentalized. That means one agency of the government has no loyalty or anything like that for another. Hence, oversight can come from within. Under your proposal, what's different?
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So like...a second government? Like a different branch?
    Perhaps... we used to have that power, kinda like a 4th branch of the government. Still do, we just have been conveniently made unaware of this power, Grand Jury power where they had the power to exclude prosecutors from their presence at any time and to investigate public officials without governmental influence. This power allowed grand juries to serve a necessary and vital function of oversight upon the government. Seems the function of a grand jury to ferret out government corruption was the primary purpose of the grand jury system in ages past.

    "They" apparently have been able to massage this out of our common knowledge of this power, put it out of view when the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure were enacted in 1946. Probably something we should look into putting back into action.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It does. It's compartmentalized. That means one agency of the government has no loyalty or anything like that for another. Hence, oversight can come from within. Under your proposal, what's different?
    If its compartmentalized, that means, oftentimes, its shut off from even the knowledge of other departments/agencies... so they are not even aware enough to give oversight... if I don't know of something, how can I oversee it?
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