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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

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    Which doesn't refute anything I said. When you talk of overclassification, it's about compartmentalizing things between agencies. The public is a huge afterthought: because they really don't matter.
    Sure they don't

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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Well...they don't? What role do they play in national defense? None.

    Anyway, did you have anything to say about my in-depth, patient explanation to you of why things are classified? How your Saudi hypothesis is totally irrelevant?
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    The public doesn't matter! Typical position of the oligarchy. Things get classified to protect national security and things get classified to protect the government of their crimes. The NSA is sweating because of the latter. Deal with it.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Well...they don't? What role do they play in national defense? None.

    Anyway, did you have anything to say about my in-depth, patient explanation to you of why things are classified? How your Saudi hypothesis is totally irrelevant?
    1) What role do citizens play in national defense? Let's see, first off all, they front the ****ing bill for all the manpower and equipment and extraneous materials national defense calls for and requires. Secondly, they act as the suppliers of bodies to the machinery of national defense. Thirdly, they act as the last line of defense when all other options have failed.

    2) You seem to think I don't understand protecting sources, means and methods. In fact, I do understand. I have already said that any of that stuff could be easily redacted. We, collectively, DO NOT need to know that C.I.A. Ground Branch agents Thompson and Diego (who got a tip from a Mossad agent named Goldstein) used phone taps, surveillance and shadowing techniques to discover that Saudi nationals, including their IC professionals, helped facilitate and coordinate the 9/11 attacks alongside the nineteen hijackers. However, collectively, the American people should know if the Saudi government had a hand in the 9/11 attacks or not. Nothing outrageously in-depth, just an official confirmation one way or another. There should be nothing in said confirmation that would give away our ability to safeguard our nation, which is the last thing I want, even though I want to know and am a transparency hound.

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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    1) What role do citizens play in national defense? Let's see, first off all, they front the ****ing bill for all the manpower and equipment and extraneous materials national defense calls for and requires. Secondly, they act as the suppliers of bodies to the machinery of national defense. Thirdly, they act as the last line of defense when all other options have failed.
    So they pay the bills? That's it? Because when they "supply bodies" they stop being the public and start to be the people I'm talking about. Who do your think works at the NSA? You think those people aren't citizens? The public pays, then. That's it. The rich pay the most, by far. But after they foot the bill, they're done.

    2) You seem to think I don't understand protecting sources, means and methods. In fact, I do understand. I have already said that any of that stuff could be easily redacted. We, collectively, DO NOT need to know that C.I.A. Ground Branch agents Thompson and Diego (who got a tip from a Mossad agent named Goldstein) used phone taps, surveillance and shadowing techniques to discover that Saudi nationals, including their IC professionals, helped facilitate and coordinate the 9/11 attacks alongside the nineteen hijackers. However, collectively, the American people should know if the Saudi government had a hand in the 9/11 attacks or not. Nothing outrageously in-depth, just an official confirmation one way or another. There should be nothing in said confirmation that would give away our ability to safeguard our nation, which is the last thing I want, even though I want to know and am a transparency hound.
    Apparently you don't, because redacting names wouldn't really help when it came to Putin's balls or a Chinese sub. A name wouldn't help, just knowing the information would be enough to burn the source ore the means or method. So it's classified. Not a big deal, just means the information isn't for public consumption.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So they pay the bills? That's it? Because when they "supply bodies" they stop being the public and start to be the people I'm talking about. Who do your think works at the NSA? You think those people aren't citizens? The public pays, then. That's it. The rich pay the most, by far. But after they foot the bill, they're done.



    Apparently you don't, because redacting names wouldn't really help when it came to Putin's balls or a Chinese sub. A name wouldn't help, just knowing the information would be enough to burn the source ore the means or method. So it's classified. Not a big deal, just means the information isn't for public consumption.
    The 28 pages has *zero* to do with your analogies. You know there are ways to protect information while releasing information, it happens on a daily basis with FOIA and routine declassification. Quit being so ****ing stubborn.

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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    The 28 pages has *zero* to do with your analogies. You know there are ways to protect information while releasing information, it happens on a daily basis with FOIA and routine declassification. Quit being so ****ing stubborn.
    You're absolutely wrong. But then, you haven't really shown a grasp of even the most regular of intelligence operations.

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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You're absolutely wrong.
    You know there are ways to protect information while releasing information, it happens on a daily basis with FOIA and routine declassification.

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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    You know there are ways to protect information while releasing information, it happens on a daily basis with FOIA and routine declassification.
    You know you have virtually no base of knowledge about the things you're talking about, right? You didn't even know what level of clearance the vast majority of what information NSA deals with.

    But keep fighting the good fight: I'm sure there's something the public just has to know in order to...well...in order to something. Something about tyranny or the constitution or liberty or something.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You know you have virtually no base of knowledge about the things you're talking about, right?
    So you're denying this: "You know there are ways to protect information while releasing information, it happens on a daily basis with FOIA and routine declassification."

    So, how does the government release formerly classified information then, and why are portions still blacked/boxed out?

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