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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    1) Do you know that for a fact?
    2) Do you know the section of the report that is classified?
    1) Yeah. That's why things are classified.

    2) Nah.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    1) Yeah. That's why things are classified.

    2) Nah.
    1) Bull****. The government also classifies information that is embarrassing or would make it look bad I.e. dirty laundry.

    2) Specific sources of foreign support

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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    We went over the topic. They're classified because of sources and methods and/or means. The topic was covered.

    Who do you think works in these agencies? Some mythical, monolithic "them"? They're just regular people, doing a job.
    Yeah yeah yeah.

    Ahh, so it fufills your standards to your satisfaction, eh? Oh, and I remember, i remember, already.

    Reminds me of wondering why people seem to hate and fear big business more than goverment, big government...when it should be the other way around. I worked at Sears in the Credit Department. They said, "Customer Satisfaction Guaranteed" and they meant it, maybe even too much. As a young credit supervisor it used to irk me to no end when, for instance, a snow bird would come down at the beginning of the summer and buy a lawn mower on credit, use it all summer and turn it back in at the end of the summer wanting a credit on their account... I would go to one of my managers and he/she would invariably say, "Satisfaction Guaranteed"

    Not so our govt...Govt just pretty much tells us to go screw ourselves a lot of the time... then they can tax you, make laws against you, use their enforcement arms, they can obtain all your records... but if you don't like a business, dont like their product, you can go elsewhere...not so with government.

    And..

    I am one of them doing a job too... and we already went over the monolithic stuff...
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Yeah yeah yeah.

    Ahh, so it fufills your standards to your satisfaction, eh? Oh, and I remember, i remember, already.

    Reminds me of wondering why people seem to hate and fear big business more than goverment, big government...when it should be the other way around. I worked at Sears in the Credit Department. They said, "Customer Satisfaction Guaranteed" and they meant it, maybe even too much. As a young credit supervisor it used to irk me to no end when, for instance, a snow bird would come down at the beginning of the summer and buy a lawn mower on credit, use it all summer and turn it back in at the end of the summer wanting a credit on their account... I would go to one of my managers and he/she would invariably say, "Satisfaction Guaranteed"

    Not so our govt...Govt just pretty much tells us to go screw ourselves a lot of the time... then they can tax you, make laws against you, use their enforcement arms, they can obtain all your records... but if you don't like a business, dont like their product, you can go elsewhere...not so with government.

    And..

    I am one of them doing a job too... and we already went over the monolithic stuff...
    And none of this refutes anything I said. It just boils down to "I don't like it, the government is bad".
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    And none of this refutes anything I said. It just boils down to "I don't like it, the government is bad".
    Has a bit more to do with active and vigilant citizenry... boils down to that's what you don't like... I am quite sure there are some things that should, indeed, remain in safekeeping, but I am also quite sure that a lot of it shouldn't be.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Has a bit more to do with active and vigilant citizenry... boils down to that's what you don't like... I am quite sure there are some things that should, indeed, remain in safekeeping, but I am also quite sure that a lot of it shouldn't be.
    I'm fine with a vigilant citizenry. Be informed when you vote!
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I'm fine with a vigilant citizenry. Be informed when you vote!
    Exactly the intention. And if we get the accurate information we need, we can vote with a lot more confidence. Glad you agree. Under the current system, we haven't a real clue.
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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Yes. Everybody (which is a lengthy list of professors, constitutional lawyers, the ACLU and many other watchdog groups, politicians on both sides of the isle including from the intelligence committee, a SCOTUS judge, former presidents and millions of Americans, not to mention foreign protests,) thinks that government is bad!

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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    1) Bull****. The government also classifies information that is embarrassing or would make it look bad I.e. dirty laundry.

    2) Specific sources of foreign support
    I am reminded of the USSC case Reynolds v. U.S. I think it's 345US1 from 1953. It took decades for it to become public, but in the end the government committed serious perjury in front of the Court by invoking "national security" for the first time ever in a legal proceeding. It turned out the case had nothing at all to do with national security, but everything to do with government negligence in aircraft maintenance, just as the widow plaintiffs alleged in suing under the Tort Claims Act.

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    Re: New House Resolution Calls for Declassifying Secret Portion of 9/11 Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Exactly the intention. And if we get the accurate information we need, we can vote with a lot more confidence. Glad you agree. Under the current system, we haven't a real clue.
    lol no, be informed about the politicians. You don't decide policy, they do (that's why they're called politicians). Be informed about them and their stances.

    You're not getting access to classified information without a clearance though, sorry.
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