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    Rep. Hunter: US Should Use Tactical Nukes on Iran if Strikes Become Necessary

    WASHINGTON — A hawkish US House Republican says the United States should use tactical nuclear weapons to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities if war with the Islamic republic becomes necessary.

    House Armed Services Committee member Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., threw down that bold gauntlet Wednesday morning during a C-SPAN interview in which he also suggested Middle East “culture” fosters dishonest negotiators.
    Duncan Hunter is a senior member of the Armed Services Committee, so the question is this: Is this man insane..... Wait, wrong question. The right question would be "OK, just how insane is he?".

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    Re: Rep. Hunter: US Should Use Tactical Nukes on Iran if Strikes Become Necessary

    Completely insane, but so would using conventional weapons.

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    Re: Rep. Hunter: US Should Use Tactical Nukes on Iran if Strikes Become Necessary

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Duncan Hunter is a senior member of the Armed Services Committee, so the question is this: Is this man insane..... Wait, wrong question. The right question would be "OK, just how insane is he?".

    Article is here.
    You seem to ignore the "if war with Iran becomes necessary" part of this story. Why would we have such weapons if they are never to be used under any circumstances? When asked to respond to hypothetical situations, it is not unreasonable to suggest the use of existing weapons, as opposed to simply saying vague things like we should take appropriate military action. The idea that we should allow any enemy nation to successfully make a first nuclear strike on us before using nuclear force on them is just plain silly. So far we are the only nation to have used nuclear weapons in war and I am OK with keeping it that way.
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    Re: Rep. Hunter: US Should Use Tactical Nukes on Iran if Strikes Become Necessary

    My dad said I wouldn't be here today if we didn't nuke Japan in WWII. He was on a ship gearing up to invade the main land of Japan at the same and was always greatful we did it.

    I would assume a lot of pilots, soldiers and others who'd be forced to fight with Iran - would also be greatfull if we launched a weapon against them that made it so their lives were saved and our war was won.

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    Re: Rep. Hunter: US Should Use Tactical Nukes on Iran if Strikes Become Necessary

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Duncan Hunter is a senior member of the Armed Services Committee, so the question is this: Is this man insane..... Wait, wrong question. The right question would be "OK, just how insane is he?".

    Article is here.
    Should war breakout his statements seem reasonable and prudent. Measured proportional response would be quite inappropriate in war as it is in a 'computer war game'.
    Or we could wait for an enemy to attack major business centers and seaports. hmmm,
    Nah, do what it takes to finish a major skirmish before it becomes too difficult to contain.

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    Re: Rep. Hunter: US Should Use Tactical Nukes on Iran if Strikes Become Necessary

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Duncan Hunter is a senior member of the Armed Services Committee, so the question is this: Is this man insane..... Wait, wrong question. The right question would be "OK, just how insane is he?".

    Article is here.
    He states that it's "IF" war with the Islamic Republican become necessary....so I'll say pretty damn insane.

    IF we end up having to go to war with Iran I think it's common sense and sound strategy to go after the nuclear facilities as one of the first targets we go after. That said, we have plenty of conventional methods in which to do it.

    First, dropping a nuke isn't something that should be done lightly and without GREAT necessity and SIGNIFICANT weighing of the cost/benefit of doing such. Second, given the nature of extreme islamists I don't believe this would have a "spirit crushing" effect that at least made the nukes in Japan worth while but rather would likely have an opposite effect, thus reducing it's potential benefit and upping it's cost. Finally, I believe we'd have a significant foreign policy issue on our hands if after years of arguing against and condemning Iran for potentailly trying to obtain a nuclear weapon we decide to immedietely upon the start of a war begin dropping nuclear weapons on them.

    The notion of using nukes is insanely dumb in the method and way he's seemingly suggesting; the targets however are not.

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    Re: Rep. Hunter: US Should Use Tactical Nukes on Iran if Strikes Become Necessary

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    My dad said I wouldn't be here today if we didn't nuke Japan in WWII. He was on a ship gearing up to invade the main land of Japan at the same and was always greatful we did it.

    I would assume a lot of pilots, soldiers and others who'd be forced to fight with Iran - would also be greatfull if we launched a weapon against them that made it so their lives were saved and our war was won.
    That generally requires that the enemies are a rational actor. Specifically, that something like a nuclear strike will be so devestating and present such a threat that their spirit and will would be almost instantly broken and lead to a full surrender. Which is sometimes reasonable to assume given the situation and if it's a rational actor.

    The problem is that if Iran was a rational actor there's probably a good chance that we would've been less concerned with them gaining nuclear weapons in the first place. The primary thing governing the politics of nuclear proliferation is Muturally Assured Destruction, or MAD. MAD is the notion that both sides understand that they have the fire power to cause devestating damage to other side and are likely to be able to utilize such power in the time between when your attack is detected and when it succeeds. Thus, the belief is that neither side will actually fire off their nukes because to do so would be to write off their own demise. MAD also relies on the notion of a rational actor.

    HOWEVER, if you thrown an IRRATIONAL actor into the mix then you have massive problems. If you have an actor who has no or little regard for their own survival or safety, or puts a greater regard in the destruction of the enemy over their own well being, then suddenly MAD no longer works.

    Typically, when dealing with potential religious fanatics of any type, rational acting can not be assumed. This is partially why many on the right feared Iran getting a nuclear weapon, because they felt that elements within the government would be willing to risk the fall out in order to use one on Israel. Dropping nuclear weapons on Iran could reasonably be expected to heighten violence, granted in a more assymetrical manner, than it would be to lower it.

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    Re: Rep. Hunter: US Should Use Tactical Nukes on Iran if Strikes Become Necessary

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He states that it's "IF" war with the Islamic Republican become necessary....so I'll say pretty damn insane.

    IF we end up having to go to war with Iran I think it's common sense and sound strategy to go after the nuclear facilities as one of the first targets we go after. That said, we have plenty of conventional methods in which to do it.

    First, dropping a nuke isn't something that should be done lightly and without GREAT necessity and SIGNIFICANT weighing of the cost/benefit of doing such. Second, given the nature of extreme islamists I don't believe this would have a "spirit crushing" effect that at least made the nukes in Japan worth while but rather would likely have an opposite effect, thus reducing it's potential benefit and upping it's cost. Finally, I believe we'd have a significant foreign policy issue on our hands if after years of arguing against and condemning Iran for potentailly trying to obtain a nuclear weapon we decide to immedietely upon the start of a war begin dropping nuclear weapons on them.

    The notion of using nukes is insanely dumb in the method and way he's seemingly suggesting; the targets however are not.
    Of course, if we go to war with Iran, we hit what we believe to be their nuclear facilities. we also hit their airports, their seaports, and all their infrastructure. That goes without saying. And, of course, we should use conventional weapons to do it.
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    Re: Rep. Hunter: US Should Use Tactical Nukes on Iran if Strikes Become Necessary

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    Re: Rep. Hunter: US Should Use Tactical Nukes on Iran if Strikes Become Necessary

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You seem to ignore the "if war with Iran becomes necessary" part of this story. Why would we have such weapons if they are never to be used under any circumstances? When asked to respond to hypothetical situations, it is not unreasonable to suggest the use of existing weapons, as opposed to simply saying vague things like we should take appropriate military action. The idea that we should allow any enemy nation to successfully make a first nuclear strike on us before using nuclear force on them is just plain silly. So far we are the only nation to have used nuclear weapons in war and I am OK with keeping it that way.
    False dichotomy.

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