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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    He even wrote one!

    Why do so many conservatives feel they can just slap a swastika on something they don't like and call that analysis?
    ha, just what a communist symp would say~!!!

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    What about the meaning surrounding colonialist-politics: whites above colored, whites educate and civilize savage cultures by obliterating the "native" civilization's heritage, and so forth?
    Well, how can they be offensive when we can simply stop analyzing the book from an informed perspective? Obviously, you just do not like the drawings. Ignore what they're alluding to.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When the GOVERNMENT RUN library bans those books, what do you think happens to them?
    They turn into Nazis? Or is it Maoists now? I forget which fallacy you subscribe to on a regular basis.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When the GOVERNMENT RUN library bans those books, what do you think happens to them?
    "Government run." Yes, Obama is issuing edicts from the White House about library books.

    Local libraries are at about as podunk a level of government as you can get.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Government run." Yes, Obama is issuing edicts from the White House about library books.

    Local libraries are at about as podunk a level of government as you can get.

    To be fair, the ALA has always been really fundamental about first amendment issues. They will make most hardcore ACLUers look like weekend warriors

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is a pretty good indication that you will be anything but.



    Yeah, the part of blacks being subservient to whites or the part about Africans not having their own culture (see "patrie"), or the part about African savages wanting to kill whites. Yeah, those aren't offensive. Are we talking about them not being offensive to apologists for colonialism or not being offensive to blacks?
    You're not African...whatta you care?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yeah, the part of blacks being subservient to whites
    The litter could be something afforded to any honored guest. Like I said, it depends upon context.

    or the part about Africans not having their own culture (see "patrie")
    All I see is a guy telling the natives about his country in a classroom. More context is needed than that.

    Besides, it's not uncommon for missionaries and non-profit organizations to go to third world countries with the intention of "educating" the native population even today. Is that racist?

    or the part about African savages wanting to kill whites.
    Sometimes they did.

    Yeah, those aren't offensive. Are we talking about them not being offensive to apologists for colonialism or not being offensive to blacks?
    Does it matter? The story is a product of its time. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it.

    As I said, I agree that it's rather tasteless, and should probably be taken off of shelves for that reason. However, I don't see any particular reason for ignoble outrage over the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    What about the meaning surrounding colonialist-politics: whites above colored, whites educate and civilize savage cultures by obliterating the "native" civilization's heritage, and so forth?
    Perhaps, but none of that is really conveyed by what Hatuey posted.

    Whether the book itself goes considerably deeper than that, I couldn't tell you. I was simply evaluating what had been presented.

    The art style and depiction of the natives is generally tasteless, but the message it's self is less obviously grating.

    Frankly, what does it matter is you disagree with the message anyway? There are all kinds of books out there with bad messages. I'm not about to start burning literature over it.

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Government run." Yes, Obama is issuing edicts from the White House about library books.

    Local libraries are at about as podunk a level of government as you can get.
    Boy! You people sure are sensitive about boy!...lol!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Perhaps, but none of that is really conveyed by what Hatuey posted.

    Whether the book itself goes considerably deeper than that, I couldn't tell you. I simply evaluating what had been presented.

    The art style and depiction of the natives is generally tasteless, but the message it's self is less obviously grating.

    Frankly, what does it matter is you disagree with the message anyway? There are all kinds of books out there with bad messages. I'm not about to start burning literature over it.
    All of that was pretty evident in the images and text provided by Hatuey. Image 1: Savagery. Image 2: Educating natives about their home country of Belgium. Power granted to the white educator, instructing black students, not about their culture, but of the hegemonic power. Image 3: White man experiencing the privilege of his culture over that of the colonized peoples.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They turn into Nazis? Or is it Maoists now? I forget which fallacy you subscribe to on a regular basis.
    Nazis...Communists...there ain't a dime's worth of difference between them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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