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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Fair enough. However, I'm still not exactly sure why anyone would take a theologian's opinion on what is or is not culturally acceptable seriously, let alone one of the "feminist" variety.

    The title is nonsensical post-modern word salad in and of itself.
    It's pretty useful stuff, really. For instance, we have some fantastic work that analyzed popular literature in the early 20th century France from a gender prospective, connecting the natalist movement's concerns with the wider popular culture.

    Politics and culture mix and pieces of evidence of this are books. Not entirely remarkable of a discovery by itself, but what we discover through that lens may be.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Certainly so, but in the examples shown, there had been fewer calls to restrict access than one would have expected. The first link in with Pippi had the scholar suggest that there was much to like from Pippi and that banning wasn't really her intention. Having families aware of the stories, willing to restrict access to their children, sure. That's not out of the ordinary. Tintin in Belguim, however, had calls to remove from school children access, if I recall correctly.
    I think it was only one blatantly racist book: "Tin-Tin dans le Congo".
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    I have seen some children's books that date to 1900 that are racist. There was one series from that time called "Little Black Sambo" That should not be in any library. Just have to use common sense when drawing that line
    Exactly. Blatant racist propaganda is one thing, but the occasional bit of old-timey political incorrectness is something else entirely.

    So what if a story that is almost a century old has "colonialist" messages? That's what society valued back then. "White washing" away those elements of the past that a person finds to be unsavory isn't going to change the fact that they happened all the same.

    They are a part of our cultural heritage, and helped to lead us to where we are today. They should recognized within that context.

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Exactly. Blatant racist propaganda is one thing, but the occasional bit of old-timey political incorrectness is something else entirely.

    So what if a story that is almost a century old has "colonialist" messages? That's what society valued back then. "White washing" away those elements of the past that a person finds to be unsavory isn't going to change the fact that they happened all the same.

    They are a part of our cultural heritage, and helped to lead us to where we are today. They should recognized within that context.
    I wholeheartedly agree. Unfortunately, far too many parents are idiots who think that Huckleberry Finn is actually encouraging racism. I'd be willing to bet that's because most of them never read the book, they just heard it has that word in it.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Also, it's somewhat refreshing to see that we're seven pages deep in the thread and not one person has gone on some diatribe about how liberals and "PC" are destroying America.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Exactly. Blatant racist propaganda is one thing
    ... Have you read Tin-Tin dans le Congo?



    ... Kill the miserable white man.



    My friends, today I will speak to you about your nation, Belgium.



    There is politically incorrect racism (blacks like watermelon, whites can't dance, Jews love money - wait - that one is just plain old racism) - then there is stuff like this. My suggestion, analyze these examples on a case by case basis. I would say Babar and Tin-Tin's old stories are definitely racist.

    They're European short stories meant to whitewash and make Europeans feel better about the way they helped rape Africa. The Pokemon one is pretty benign. Pippi Longstocking is also far more ambiguous. However, there is little doubt about Babar and Tin-Tin's racist suggestions.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... Have you read Tin-Tin dans le Congo?



    ... Kill the miserable white man.



    My friends, today I will speak to you about your nation, Belgium.



    There is politically incorrect racism (blacks like watermelon, whites can't dance, Jews love money - wait - that one is plain on racism) - then there is this.
    To be fair, the offensive thing about the excerpts that you posted is the art style and the chief's speech patterns more than anything else. The classroom scene's fine, as far as I can tell, and there isn't anything intrinsically racist about being carried around on a litter depending on the context.

    However, I also agree that "Tin-Tin in the Congo" probably is one of the few books listed that should be taken off shelves in the name of good taste (if not necessarily banned outright). The same is really not true of Pippi's books or Huck Finn.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    To be fair
    This is a pretty good indication that you will be anything but.

    the offensive thing about the excerpts that you posted is the art style and the chief's speech patterns more than anything else
    Yeah, the part of blacks being subservient to whites or the part about Africans not having their own culture (see "patrie"), or the part about African savages wanting to kill whites. Yeah, those aren't offensive. Are we talking about them not being offensive to apologists for colonialism or not being offensive to blacks?
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    To be fair, the offensive thing about the excerpts that you posted is the art style and the chief's speech patterns more than anything else. The classroom scene's fine, as far as I can tell, and there isn't anything intrinsically racist about being carried around on a litter depending on the context.

    However, I also agree that "Tin-Tin in the Congo" probably is one of the few books listed that should be taken off shelves in the name of good taste (if not necessarily banned outright). The same is really not true of Pipi's books or Huck Finn.
    What about the meaning surrounding colonialist-politics: whites above colored, whites educate and civilize savage cultures by obliterating the "native" civilization's heritage, and so forth?
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You just used the word "books". You know who else used the word books? Hitler.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d2a_1273833689

    New game. When you use the word "Nazi" in a spurious manner, we're all taking a shot.
    When the GOVERNMENT RUN library bans those books, what do you think happens to them?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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