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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So what? Are we incapable of engaging in literary criticism once the thing is popular?
    criticism and analysis are great things, banning them from access is another step altogether, IMO. In fact, the later tends to make the former more difficult

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    But they are read and loved in the US. And the older ones have been here for dang near 100 years.
    Really? Babar? Tin Tin? I'd give you Pokemon at best. That's not even the point though. The point is you erroneously claimed " All US Literature is racist" even though the article points out some racist colonial powers - France's quest into Africa (Babar), Belgium's little playground in the Congo(Tin-Tin) - and notoriously racist society like the Japanese as other examples. Look, don't try and save face - we know you haven't even read these all so "loved" "US books" much less have any idea what they're about.

    They've been talked about by scholars for decades in the case of Tin-Tin. Herge's depictions and Tin-Tin's attitude is clearly grounded in not "at the time" racism, but racism which is still present in some aspects of Belgian culture. This is a fact accepted even by the creator. In the case of Babar, it's a whitewashing of France's little adventure in North/Sub-Saharan Africa. These things seem benign to somebody who is clearly ignorant of the books. However, they're still harmful as they perpetuate apologist attitudes towards far more complex issues. Essentially, it'd be like the British creating a cartoon showing George Washington to be a big meanie who needed to be spanked.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Does Joseph Goebbels have a T?
    Nope. But it has an "S". Just like apdst. Spurious comparisons are fun! Remember! Goebbels had common sense! If you have common sense! You're Joseph Goebbels! Humor? You're Hitler. You eat noodles? You're Mao! Lol. Seriously yo, quit the nonsensical comparisons. You'll get called on it every time. Because you're a conservative right?
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Really? Babar? Tin Tin? I'd give you Pokemon at best. That's not even the point though. The point is you erroneously claimed " All US Literature is racist" even though the article points out some racist colonial powers - France's quest into Africa (Babar), Belgium's little playground in the Congo(Tin-Tin) - and notoriously racist society like the Japanese as other examples. Look, don't try and save face - we know you haven't even read these all so "loved" "US books" much less have any idea what they're about.

    They've been talked about by scholars for decades in the case of Tin-Tin. Herge's depictions and Tin-Tin's attitude is clearly grounded in not "at the time" racism, but racism which is still present in some aspects of Belgian culture. This is a fact accepted even by the creator. In the case of Babar, it's a whitewashing of France's little adventure in North/Sub-Saharan Africa. These things seem benign to somebody who is clearly ignorant of the books. However, they're still harmful as they perpetuate apologist attitudes towards far more complex issues. Essentially, it'd be like the British creating a cartoon showing George Washington to be a big meanie who needed to be spanked.
    My post was sarcasm.

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Really? Babar? Tin Tin? I'd give you Pokemon at best. That's not even the point though. The point is you erroneously claimed " All US Literature is racist" even though the article points out some racist colonial powers - France's quest into Africa (Babar), Belgium's little playground in the Congo(Tin-Tin) - and notoriously racist society like the Japanese as other examples. Look, don't try and save face - we know you haven't even read these all so "loved" "US books" much less have any idea what they're about.

    They've been talked about by scholars for decades in the case of Tin-Tin. Herge's depictions and Tin-Tin's attitude is clearly grounded in not "at the time" racism, but racism which is still present in some aspects of Belgian culture. This is a fact accepted even by the creator. In the case of Babar, it's a whitewashing of France's little adventure in North/Sub-Saharan Africa. These things seem benign to somebody who is clearly ignorant of the books. However, they're still harmful as they perpetuate apologist attitudes towards far more complex issues. Essentially, it'd be like the British creating a cartoon showing George Washington to be a big meanie who needed to be spanked.
    yeah and all 6-10 years olds are reading those books thinking as you do.

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't understand your comment
    It was a tongue in cheek response to your hyperbole.

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    yeah and all 6-10 years olds are reading those books thinking as you do.
    That is exactly the point. They don't see Babar as the story of an elephant who was "civilized" by the Europeans and then came back to rule just like Europeans would. Tin Tin? Just another European explorer who gets the benefit of being carried around by Africans. The analysis a child gives to these is so simple that they don't even question why it is that Babar is civilized but elephants raised in Africa are not. The books explain it with "He went to Europe".

    Ever, perpetuating the myth that Europeans civilized anyone. That's what these books do. They perpetuate myths and negative attitudes where Europeans are the good guys and everyone else is simply a big dumb-dumb. Ignoring the very real massacres, colonizations, destruction of cultures behind the stories. They're no different than France's bigoted depictions towards Americans. We don't teach those, do we? Of course not. They don't affect us. As long as the depictions are negative towards cultures we don't care about, it's fine.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It was a tongue in cheek response to your hyperbole.
    It still makes no sense
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    I don't find literature and children's media that reinforces negative racial stereotypes to be "entertainment" I do however feel that Longstocking and the other characters is overdoing it.
    What you read into it is not what a child will see. I thought that was obvious.

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    My Grandpa and I would have breakfast at Sambos there in Oakland before we went to the Raider's training camps. Most of the waitresses (and the patrons) were black. In fact I think the owner was as well.
    Did it permanently damage you to see the scenes they had over the kitchen area and around the restaurant of the Sambo character?

    We ate there too, although we were much farther south, and I can honestly say it did no damage to me.

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