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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Avatar is basically Dances With Wolves in space.

    The Chronicles of Narnia draw pretty heavily on Christian allegory. C.S. Lewis was a pretty devout Anglican.
    Yeah, and I would add, the criticism of Avatar that he pretty much laid out is a concern for many in Hollywood films depicting African Americans and Native Americans. White savior complex dominating the narrative, reducing agency of the minority or oppressed population.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    the irony of posting this after totally missing the whole christian angle of the chronicles is worth the admission alone
    Everything that has been construed as the "Christian" angle... sacrifice and resurrection, corruption by sin (greed, etc.), the foiling of evil, the triumph of good, has been the mainstay of nearly every work of fiction, including ancient theatrical performances (especially in East Asia) for millennium. If people wish to pluck out pieces to create allegories that fit their personal ideology, it's not too difficult to do so. As a novelist, I learned that there are only seven basic plots in existence, and all works of fiction draw from one or more of these plots in constructing their stories.

    Hell, I just played a video game in which my protagonist character sacrificed herself to save her friends, was resurrected by a wizard who was controlled by a demon inside of him, went on to fight the corrupt, sinful evil of an oppressive regime, free mages from slavery, and save the kingdom from war. Depending upon how I wished to categorize this particular storyline, it could be religious, conquering, gladiators fighting for survival, or for justice, or to free the oppressed, or just a medieval story of a bunch of rag-tag wanderers whose adventures bring them fame, wealth and riches.

    I saw no "Christian" angle in the Narnia chronicles. I saw a compilation of plot-points that had already been told in thousands of ways, retold in another rich, creative manner, and excellently expressed on the screen. People will color what they see through the prism of their own beliefs, as we have already discovered... no matter how much they must stretch credulity to do so.

    Anyway, I'm not up for one of your protracted contrariness marathons, so I've said my piece and I'm going to go slaughter pixelated monsters for no other reason than I suddenly feel like doing so.

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Some people take their books and movies WAY too seriously. I mean really, most of the people who read these books or watch these movies are children, and they are not making these connections. To the kids, they are simply fun and entertaining.
    To an extent, sure. However, noting the "authoritarian" tendencies of Nolan's Batman trilogy, I rather strongly thought, "Yeah, if that was his intention, he would be guilty as charged. And I'm loving it."
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Some people take their books and movies WAY too seriously. I mean really, most of the people who read these books or watch these movies are children, and they are not making these connections. To the kids, they are simply fun and entertaining.
    Having played Cowboys and Indians as a child, and remembering how no one wanted to be an Indian, I have to disagree about them not making connections.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You're the one who is picking and choosing as much as anyone else is. You're just "butt hurt" because you disagree with the consensus and don't have a problem with the racist and colonialist depictions of the past.
    The "consensus" to which you refer is self-serving and politically motivated. I was simply pointing it out as such.

    I'm sorry if it offends you.

    You're delusional. Taming an animal doesn't make him a leader, he doesn't unite the tribes, nor is he instrumental in bringing down the invaders. And he didn't become a leader, as you falsely claimed.
    The tribes only agree to unite because he can ride the giant bird monster that no one else can ride, and he actually talks to the intelligent tree that causes nature to rise up against the invaders in the first place.

    Without the "mighty whitey" main character, the natives would have been doomed.

    I'm also just about positive that he became their de facto leader at the end, given how pretty much every other major native character (besides his girlfriend) died fighting against the humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Except that he's so inept that he needs to be saved by a native woman...

    ..because he's "magically better at everything the natives do"
    After uniting the tribes and talking the freaking planet into winning the battle for the native side.

    He was also winning against the colonel for most of their fight as well.

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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

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    Colonel Quaritch FTW!!

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    When Michelle Rodriguez died in that film, I cheered. I gagged when a soldier-turned-merc had the audacity of saying "This wasn't what I signed up for!" I'm like, God dammit, you did too! Why the hell else are you dorks there!?
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yeah, and I would add, the criticism of Avatar that he pretty much laid out is a concern for many in Hollywood films depicting African Americans and Native Americans. White savior complex dominating the narrative, reducing agency of the minority or oppressed population.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I'm also just about positive that he became their de facto leader at the end, given how pretty much every other major native character (besides his girlfriend) died fighting against the humans.
    I guess we'll find out in Avatar 2!
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The "consensus" to which you refer is self-serving and politically motivated. I was simply pointing it out as such.

    I'm sorry if it offends you.
    and your opinion is just as self serving and politically motivated.

    Not sorry if that offends you.



    The tribes only agree to unite because he can ride the giant bird monster that no one else can ride, and he actually talks to the intelligent tree that causes nature to rise up against the invaders in the first place.
    Umm, no. That is not why the tribes unite


    I'm also just about positive that he became their de facto leader at the end, given how pretty much every other major native character (besides his girlfriend) died fighting against the humans.
    Umm, no. The leaders invite him to stay with them




    After uniting the tribes and talking the freaking planet into winning the battle for the native side.

    He was also winning against the colonel for most of their fight as well.
    He didn't unite the tribes, and he had to be saved from being killed by the col.
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    Re: Pippi Longstocking and 6 other supposedly racist children's characters

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Everything that has been construed as the "Christian" angle... sacrifice and resurrection, corruption by sin (greed, etc.), the foiling of evil, the triumph of good, has been the mainstay of nearly every work of fiction, including ancient theatrical performances (especially in East Asia) for millennium. If people wish to pluck out pieces to create allegories that fit their personal ideology, it's not too difficult to do so. As a novelist, I learned that there are only seven basic plots in existence, and all works of fiction draw from one or more of these plots in constructing their stories.

    Hell, I just played a video game in which my protagonist character sacrificed herself to save her friends, was resurrected by a wizard who was controlled by a demon inside of him, went on to fight the corrupt, sinful evil of an oppressive regime, free mages from slavery, and save the kingdom from war. Depending upon how I wished to categorize this particular storyline, it could be religious, conquering, gladiators fighting for survival, or for justice, or to free the oppressed, or just a medieval story of a bunch of rag-tag wanderers whose adventures bring them fame, wealth and riches.

    I saw no "Christian" angle in the Narnia chronicles. I saw a compilation of plot-points that had already been told in thousands of ways, retold in another rich, creative manner, and excellently expressed on the screen. People will color what they see through the prism of their own beliefs, as we have already discovered... no matter how much they must stretch credulity to do so.

    Anyway, I'm not up for one of your protracted contrariness marathons, so I've said my piece and I'm going to go slaughter pixelated monsters for no other reason than I suddenly feel like doing so.
    There you go dodging that you got caught being worng.

    Just google Chronicles of Narnia and see where the author himself says it's about Jesus in alternate reality. Of course, if you won't take the author's word for it...

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