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Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?[W:50]

Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Bob N said:
Voluntary collaboration with business associates that continuously abort babies is correct in line with their Biblical principles? How's Hobby Lobby's moral obligations concerning consummating business with people that knowingly ends babies lives? I'm looking at this from a stern, religious point of view -- just like the one David Green expressed in the OP.
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There is a difference between buying items from a company that would be owned by a government that engages in forced abortions and a government that would force the company to participate in a abortion. I think if there were an option to buy within a reasonable price items in countries that did not do forced abortions they would do so but since our government supports trade with such governments that is not a valid option. And since this is our government we now are talking about it should not force owners of a company to violate their core moral religious beliefs. Otherwise the 1st Amendment is for not.
 
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Shadow Serious said:
There is a difference between buying items from a company that would be owned by a government that engages in forced abortions and a government that would force the company to participate in a abortion.
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You do? I don't see any difference. :shrug:
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Bob N said:
Yes they are. They are judging their employees that wish to use the products by saying it's immoral.
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Not at all. They're simply saying they don't want to pay for it with THEIR money.
 
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MaggieD said:
No one. But I don't think it's right to judge their belief that they don't want to directly pay for birth control as being hypocritical in that light. Do you believe in eating dogs? "No, I don't." "Well, then, how come you buy Korean-made products? You're a hypocrite!"
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Actually Hobby Lobby doesn't directly pay for birth control. An insurance company does. Hobby Lobby never sees a bill for BC.

Your analogy is flawed... IF I was a huge public supporter of PETA and demanded animals be treated like humans THEN perhaps you have a point about Korea. However having served in Korea I can say there is no state, or 'company' policy on enforcing the eating of dogs unlike China's official government mandated birth control/abortion laws. I found finding Gaegogi a bit of a struggle as most Koreans don't eat it or think dogs even back in the 70's.

The real bottom line is Hobby Lobby, like any other profitable company must at times make deals with those who do not practice their religious beliefs. I do believe a rather important figure in Christian mythology said something along the line of- "render unto Caesar...." when it comes to dealing with secular laws- but that was back in the days before that religion was a corporation and global power. :peace
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Bob N said:
Yes. But I do not apply my philosophy like Hobby Lobby does and that's the difference.
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No, you just are desperately looking to scream 'hypocrisy' at someone else.

Nothing of substance to see here, just more internet spin wishful thinking.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Funny (in an ironic sense)

I've been wondering why Hobby Lobby claims to still be Christian Based when they're a for-profit business and hire a large number of homosexuals. (I work in the company, I didn't see evidence of this "Christian Origin" save for their music selection.)

The idea that they can make their corporate business decisions on their personal religious views is asinine. They want to be a religious organization - they have to meet the standards and that is not going to happen.

They're a for profit business - and that makes me full of hypocrisy at this point.
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Since when is it anti Christian per se to hire homosexuals? Christians are no more likely to practice discrimination than any one else.
 
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Its pretty obvious that one is directly funding abortion, and the other is possibly funding abortion. Using the OPs logic, the company should not even pay employees because they MIGHT use the cash to get an abortion. HL only objects to knowingly funding abortion.
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

MaggieD said:
No one. But I don't think it's right to judge their belief that they don't want to directly pay for birth control as being hypocritical in that light.

Do you believe in eating dogs? "No, I don't." "Well, then, how come you buy Korean-made products? You're a hypocrite!"
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It's a matter of practicing what you preach.


Someone who personally doesn't believe in eating dogs but also doesn't go around persecuting people who do isn't being a hypocrite.
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Bob N said:
Voluntary collaboration with business associates that continuously abort babies is correct in line with their Biblical principles? How's Hobby Lobby's moral obligations concerning consummating business with people that knowingly ends babies lives? I'm looking at this from a stern, religious point of view -- just like the one David Green expressed in the OP.
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If this weren't related to religion, you would be dead silent. You wouldn't even be in this thread. Admit it, it's because this is related to religion that you are here to bash them. Their religious principle is no different than your premise of buying American, but you're going to play this to the death as something completely different. This company doesn't know who aborts babies in China and who doesn't, so in your mind the company should hurt those Chinese who never had an abortion to prove a point. Is there any more illogic you'd care to present?
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Shadow Serious said:
There is a difference between buying items from a company that would be owned by a government that engages in forced abortions and a government that would force the company to participate in a abortion. I think if there were an option to buy within a reasonable price items in countries that did not do forced abortions they would do so but since our government supports trade with such governments that is not a valid option. And since this is our government we now are talking about it should not force owners of a company to violate their core moral religious beliefs. Otherwise the 1st Amendment is for not.
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I don't know that there is a difference, and this is coming from someone who hates fracking but recently purchased stocks of a company that fracks baby fracks. I don't deny it makes me a hypocrite, but hey, when there is money to be made......
 
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American said:
If this weren't related to religion, you would be dead silent. You wouldn't even be in this thread. Admit it, it's because this is related to religion that you are here to bash them. Their religious principle is no different than your premise of buying American, but you're going to play this to the death as something completely different. This company doesn't know who aborts babies in China and who doesn't, so in your mind the company should hurt those Chinese who never had an abortion to prove a point. Is there any more illogic you'd care to present?
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The same may be applied to your argument as well. Does Hobby Lobby know just how many employes will abort babies?
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

SMTA said:
No, you just are desperately looking to scream 'hypocrisy' at someone else.

Nothing of substance to see here, just more internet spin wishful thinking.
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Well thanks for dropping by. :2wave:
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Bob N said:
The same may be applied to your argument as well. Does Hobby Lobby know just how many employes will abort babies?
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Irrelevant, they're not going to pay for it.
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

American said:
Irrelevant, they're not going to pay for it.
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Yes. That's what their gripe is. But they have no qualms over sending money to China that uses it for sure to abort babies, right?
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Bob N said:
Yes. That's what their gripe is. But they have no qualms over sending money to China that uses it for sure to abort babies, right?
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Thank you for proving my point beyond a shadow of a doubt. You hate religious people, and try to destroy them. Yes, a worthy occupation for you. Carry on.
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Bob N said:
Yes. But I do not apply my philosophy like Hobby Lobby does and that's the difference.
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In addition I would imagine that Hobby Lobby has no problem accepting your money for goods you purchase from Hobby Lobby.
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

American said:
Thank you for proving my point beyond a shadow of a doubt. You hate religious people, and try to destroy them. Yes, a worthy occupation for you. Carry on.
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I would rather look at this as "do as I say, not as I do." ;) :lol:
 
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Risky Thicket said:
In addition I would imagine that Hobby Lobby has no problem accepting your money for goods you purchase from Hobby Lobby.
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Oh, no, Risky. I'm sure that Hobby Lobby does a background check on you and if you pass they will sell you something. :roll: :lol:
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Bob N said:
Oh, no, Risky. I'm sure that Hobby Lobby does a background check on you and if you pass they will sell you something. :roll: :lol:
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Oh looky, and a totally outlandish flakey statement.
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Bob N said:
Yes. That's what their gripe is. But they have no qualms over sending money to China that uses it for sure to abort babies, right?
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BTW, what's your thing with China, abortion is legal in the US, so just think of the millions of abortions executed right under our noses here in the US. My god, they just can't buy from anyone can they? Who knows who might have an abortion at any moment? Your trollish posts are failing.
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

American said:
BTW, what's your thing with China, abortion is legal in the US, so just think of the millions of abortions executed right under our noses here in the US. My god, they just can't buy from anyone can they? Who knows who might have an abortion at any moment? Your trollish posts are failing.
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The difference is American, that China comes in and makes sure the woman has one -- whether she wants it or not. I would say that's a big difference.
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Bob N said:
The difference is American, that China comes in and makes sure the woman has one -- whether she wants it or not. I would say that's a big difference.
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Yeah whatever, you're the ****ing problem.
 
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