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Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?[W:50]

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Since Hobby Lobby is in the news right now on their commitment to keep it's Christian principles in line with it's business, I thought that I would share these two articles that I found with you that generally makes a good question: Why does Hobby Lobby do business with abortionists?

You see Hobby Lobby sends it's money to China in order to receive it's goods to sell over here; however, China practices it's government enforced policy of one child only per family.

Now David Green, owner of Hobby Lobby, has been quoted to his company's belief:
We're Christians, and we run our business on Christian principles. I've always said that the first two goals of our business are (1) to run our business in harmony with God's laws, and (2) to focus on people more than money. And that's what we've tried to do. [...] We believe that it is by God's grace that Hobby Lobby has endured, and he has blessed us and our employees. [...] But now, our government threatens to change all of that. A new government health care mandate says that our family business MUST provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs as part of our health insurance. Being Christians, we don't pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don't cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill. We believe doing so might end a life after the moment of conception, something that is contrary to our most important beliefs. It goes against the Biblical principles on which we have run this company since day one.

Now seeing that Biblical principles are so important to his health care for his employees, why wouldn't it be just as important to apply the same principles to your business associates?
 
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Since Hobby Lobby is in the news right now on their commitment to keep it's Christian principles in line with it's business, I thought that I would share these two articles that I found with you that generally makes a good question: Why does Hobby Lobby do business with abortionists?

You see Hobby Lobby sends it's money to China in order to receive it's goods to sell over here; however, China practices it's government enforced policy of one child only per family.

Now David Green, owner of Hobby Lobby, has been quoted to his company's belief:

Now seeing that Biblical principles are so important to his health care for his employees, why wouldn't it be just as important to apply the same principles to your business associates?

A new government health care mandate says that our family business MUST provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs as part of our health insurance. Being Christians, we don't pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don't cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill. We believe doing so might end a life after the moment of conception, something that is contrary to our most important beliefs. It goes against the Biblical principles on which we have run this company since day one.

You see purchasing goods from a country that believes otherwise as contrary to this ^? I don't. One could use that same faulty argument against anyone who's ProLife: Do you buy stuff from China??

Give.me.a.break.
 
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Funny (in an ironic sense)

I've been wondering why Hobby Lobby claims to still be Christian Based when they're a for-profit business and hire a large number of homosexuals. (I work in the company, I didn't see evidence of this "Christian Origin" save for their music selection.)

The idea that they can make their corporate business decisions on their personal religious views is asinine. They want to be a religious organization - they have to meet the standards and that is not going to happen.

They're a for profit business - and that makes me full of hypocrisy at this point.
 
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Do you buy stuff from China??

Give.me.a.break.
Yes. But I do not apply my philosophy like Hobby Lobby does and that's the difference.
 
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I think the OP makes a valid point but in a weird way. A great many companies do that, including ones that advertise themselves in a different light.
 
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Yes. But I do not apply my philosophy like Hobby Lobby does and that's the difference.

I appreciate your responding to my post, but I don't understand what you're trying to say.
 
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I appreciate your responding to my post, but I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Must is an important word here, Maggie. Who is making them associate with China?
 
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Their money is just as green as anyone else's.
 
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Must is an important word here, Maggie. Who is making them associate with China?

No one. But I don't think it's right to judge their belief that they don't want to directly pay for birth control as being hypocritical in that light.

Do you believe in eating dogs? "No, I don't." "Well, then, how come you buy Korean-made products? You're a hypocrite!"
 
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Their money is just as green as anyone else's.
That has to be wrong though, Gipper. Read what David Green said on his beliefs:
We're Christians, and we run our business on Christian principles. I've always said that the first two goals of our business are (1) to run our business in harmony with God's laws, and (2) to focus on people more than money. And that's what we've tried to do. [...] We believe that it is by God's grace that Hobby Lobby has endured, and he has blessed us and our employees. [...] But now, our government threatens to change all of that. A new government health care mandate says that our family business MUST provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs as part of our health insurance. Being Christians, we don't pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don't cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill. We believe doing so might end a life after the moment of conception, something that is contrary to our most important beliefs. It goes against the Biblical principles on which we have run this company since day one.
I think that he should try harder on #2 ;)
 
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No one. But I don't think it's right to judge their belief that they don't want to directly pay for birth control as being hypocritical in that light.

Do you believe in eating dogs? "No, I don't." "Well, then, how come you buy Korean-made products? You're a hypocrite!"
Wait, Maggie. But these people are using religious beliefs to bring home a point here, not secular ones.
 
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Since Hobby Lobby is in the news right now on their commitment to keep it's Christian principles in line with it's business, I thought that I would share these two articles that I found with you that generally makes a good question: Why does Hobby Lobby do business with abortionists?

You see Hobby Lobby sends it's money to China in order to receive it's goods to sell over here; however, China practices it's government enforced policy of one child only per family.

Now David Green, owner of Hobby Lobby, has been quoted to his company's belief:

Now seeing that Biblical principles are so important to his health care for his employees, why wouldn't it be just as important to apply the same principles to your business associates?

its called hypocrisy and it shouldn't surprise anybody that hobby lobby is full of **** :shrug:
 
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That has to be wrong though, Gipper. Read what David Green said on his beliefs: I think that he should try harder on #2 ;)

If they want to hurt their own business with that crap, more power to 'em.
 
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You see purchasing goods from a country that believes otherwise as contrary to this ^? I don't. One could use that same faulty argument against anyone who's ProLife: Do you buy stuff from China??

Give.me.a.break.

See, this is why I think it is a bit of a weird way he approached it. As a retailer, they could certainly elect not to carry Chinese merchandise. The abortion thing is a stretch, but China certainly has not been too friendly to Christians. Of course, a lot of consumers drive around in their Levis made in Asia in their Chevy pick up 40% made in Mexico drinking their foreign owned Budweiser with a Chinese made American flag on the antennae feeling like they are supporting America, Damn It!.
 
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...Of course, a lot of consumers drive around in their Levis made in Asia in their Chevy pick up 40% made in Mexico drinking their foreign owned Budweiser with a Chinese made American flag on the antennae feeling like they are supporting America, Damn It!.
I agree with the thoughts because I made a car purchase thinking American-made with my car; however, there were no religious stipulations that came across my mind on the purchase.
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Since Hobby Lobby is in the news right now on their commitment to keep it's Christian principles in line with it's business, I thought that I would share these two articles that I found with you that generally makes a good question: Why does Hobby Lobby do business with abortionists?

You see Hobby Lobby sends it's money to China in order to receive it's goods to sell over here; however, China practices it's government enforced policy of one child only per family.

Now David Green, owner of Hobby Lobby, has been quoted to his company's belief:

Now seeing that Biblical principles are so important to his health care for his employees, why wouldn't it be just as important to apply the same principles to your business associates?

By not judging theor fellow man, they are keeping with their Christian principle.
 
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If you remember your history, Christian groups having a relationship with the Chinese is kind of a pre-requisite.
 
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Now seeing that Biblical principles are so important to his health care for his employees, why wouldn't it be just as important to apply the same principles to your business associates?

Not really. Their first obligation would be to their employees, which number around 21,000, and at least they provide benefits, as opposed to a good number of other employers in the country. If Hobby Lobby, and thousands of other retailers in the country didn't buy cheap Chinese crap to sell (which I don't like, btw), they could not compete in the marketplace, and would not exist at all.
 
Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

Since Hobby Lobby is in the news right now on their commitment to keep it's Christian principles in line with it's business, I thought that I would share these two articles that I found with you that generally makes a good question: Why does Hobby Lobby do business with abortionists?

You see Hobby Lobby sends it's money to China in order to receive it's goods to sell over here; however, China practices it's government enforced policy of one child only per family.

Now David Green, owner of Hobby Lobby, has been quoted to his company's belief:

Now seeing that Biblical principles are so important to his health care for his employees, why wouldn't it be just as important to apply the same principles to your business associates?

The difference is that in the case of buying from companies in China and rejecting Federal Government mandates is that one is a voluntary and the other is not. The company Hobby Lobby is a private company that is there is no public stock and should be treated just like a small sole proprietor business. The religious liberty of the owner is violated when being required to support an act (by the government) which violates their moral obligations.

The example of employing gay people do not violate their moral obligations since hiring a sinner is not one. Requiring to support an particular act is one though.
 
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The difference is that in the case of buying from companies in China and rejecting Federal Government mandates is that one is a voluntary and the other is not. The company Hobby Lobby is a private company that is there is no public stock and should be treated just like a small sole proprietor business. The religious liberty of the owner is violated when being required to support an act (by the government) which violates their moral obligations.

The example of employing gay people do not violate their moral obligations since hiring a sinner is not one. Requiring to support an particular act is one though.
Voluntary collaboration with business associates that continuously abort babies is correct in line with their Biblical principles? How's Hobby Lobby's moral obligations concerning consummating business with people that knowingly ends babies lives? I'm looking at this from a stern, religious point of view -- just like the one David Green expressed in the OP.
 
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Not really. Their first obligation would be to their employees, which number around 21,000, and at least they provide benefits, as opposed to a good number of other employers in the country. If Hobby Lobby, and thousands of other retailers in the country didn't buy cheap Chinese crap to sell (which I don't like, btw), they could not compete in the marketplace, and would not exist at all.
So in your opinion the money is more important to Mr. Green than his moral obligations to his religion?
 
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By not judging theor fellow man, they are keeping with their Christian principle.
Yes they are. They are judging their employees that wish to use the products by saying it's immoral.
 
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So in your opinion the money is more important to Mr. Green than his moral obligations to his religion?

In my opinion, the jobs that he creates are more important to the public good. His morality is something which he must deal with on his own. I don't care either way about his morality, unless it has an affect on me or others.
 
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In my opinion, the jobs that he creates are more important to the public good. His morality is something which he must deal with on his own. I don't care either way about his morality, unless it has an affect on me or others.
I can understand that Lizzie. But what I'm basically saying is that Mr. Green can't have his cake and eat it too, here -- going by his religious principles of course.
 
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I can understand that Lizzie. But what I'm basically saying is that Mr. Green can't have his cake and eat it too, here -- going by his religious principles of course.

Well, frankly, you don't know if he can have his cake and eat it too. As with the rest of us, it's his company, and his life, and his moral principles. I don't propose to tell someone else that they must adhere to the same standards as I.
 
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