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    Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Not really. Their first obligation would be to their employees, which number around 21,000, and at least they provide benefits, as opposed to a good number of other employers in the country. If Hobby Lobby, and thousands of other retailers in the country didn't buy cheap Chinese crap to sell (which I don't like, btw), they could not compete in the marketplace, and would not exist at all.
    So in your opinion the money is more important to Mr. Green than his moral obligations to his religion?
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    Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

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    By not judging theor fellow man, they are keeping with their Christian principle.
    Yes they are. They are judging their employees that wish to use the products by saying it's immoral.
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    Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

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    So in your opinion the money is more important to Mr. Green than his moral obligations to his religion?
    In my opinion, the jobs that he creates are more important to the public good. His morality is something which he must deal with on his own. I don't care either way about his morality, unless it has an affect on me or others.
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    Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    In my opinion, the jobs that he creates are more important to the public good. His morality is something which he must deal with on his own. I don't care either way about his morality, unless it has an affect on me or others.
    I can understand that Lizzie. But what I'm basically saying is that Mr. Green can't have his cake and eat it too, here -- going by his religious principles of course.
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    Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I can understand that Lizzie. But what I'm basically saying is that Mr. Green can't have his cake and eat it too, here -- going by his religious principles of course.
    Well, frankly, you don't know if he can have his cake and eat it too. As with the rest of us, it's his company, and his life, and his moral principles. I don't propose to tell someone else that they must adhere to the same standards as I.
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    Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Voluntary collaboration with business associates that continuously abort babies is correct in line with their Biblical principles? How's Hobby Lobby's moral obligations concerning consummating business with people that knowingly ends babies lives? I'm looking at this from a stern, religious point of view -- just like the one David Green expressed in the OP.
    There is a difference between buying items from a company that would be owned by a government that engages in forced abortions and a government that would force the company to participate in a abortion. I think if there were an option to buy within a reasonable price items in countries that did not do forced abortions they would do so but since our government supports trade with such governments that is not a valid option. And since this is our government we now are talking about it should not force owners of a company to violate their core moral religious beliefs. Otherwise the 1st Amendment is for not.
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    Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    There is a difference between buying items from a company that would be owned by a government that engages in forced abortions and a government that would force the company to participate in a abortion.
    You do? I don't see any difference.
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    Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Yes they are. They are judging their employees that wish to use the products by saying it's immoral.
    Not at all. They're simply saying they don't want to pay for it with THEIR money.
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    Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

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    Why does Hobby Lobby do business with abortionists?
    Money.
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    Re: Why Does Hobby Lobby Do Business with Abortionists?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No one. But I don't think it's right to judge their belief that they don't want to directly pay for birth control as being hypocritical in that light. Do you believe in eating dogs? "No, I don't." "Well, then, how come you buy Korean-made products? You're a hypocrite!"
    Actually Hobby Lobby doesn't directly pay for birth control. An insurance company does. Hobby Lobby never sees a bill for BC.

    Your analogy is flawed... IF I was a huge public supporter of PETA and demanded animals be treated like humans THEN perhaps you have a point about Korea. However having served in Korea I can say there is no state, or 'company' policy on enforcing the eating of dogs unlike China's official government mandated birth control/abortion laws. I found finding Gaegogi a bit of a struggle as most Koreans don't eat it or think dogs even back in the 70's.

    The real bottom line is Hobby Lobby, like any other profitable company must at times make deals with those who do not practice their religious beliefs. I do believe a rather important figure in Christian mythology said something along the line of- "render unto Caesar...." when it comes to dealing with secular laws- but that was back in the days before that religion was a corporation and global power.

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