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Child taken from womb by social services

You want names? :lamo Think for a minute, do you think it every happens a pregnant woman goes off her meds and has psych issues? Does that sound even a little bit possible to you? Maybe?
No, you don't get out of it so easily. You made a factual assertion -- that this kind of thing happens a lot, everywhere -- and it's you who need to demonstrate that it's so.

So it's hardly untoward to ask you for another example.
 
I think it's the way British Journalists write their reportings - but I always ave a hard time believing anything that comes from them. They present people's opinion statements, first, before presenting facts.

I don't know - I read the outlandish stuff from Britain and go 'I don't believe that even happened.'

Very sensible approach. Most of the British tabloid press have the journalistic credibility of the National Enquirer. The Telegraph is usually a pretty ethical paper, even though it's very right-wing, but that article seemed misleading from the headline onwards. Did you notice that the journalist didn't have a single quote or statement from the authorities concerned? They couldn't comment as that would breach confidentiality regulations relating to ongoing cases. That means that the lawyers have free rein and cannot be contradicted using embargoed evidence.
 
You want names? :lamo

So, you have no examples to back up your factual assertion. Not surprising when you pull something out of thin air.


Think for a minute, do you think it every happens a pregnant woman goes off her meds and has psych issues? Does that sound even a little bit possible to you? Maybe?

No, I certainly do not. You, however, said it was a common occurrence:

This same scenario has probably played out many times over the years in this country and everywhere else. Almost no meds are safe for pregnant women.
 
Nobody can tell you patient names. Generally it is considered appropriate medical care and does not make the right wing noise machine. Rage on. :roll:
So, you have no examples to back up your factual assertion. Not surprising when you pull something out of thin air.




No, I certainly do not. You, however, said it was a common occurrence:
 
Think for a minute, do you think it ever happens a pregnant woman goes off her meds and has psych issues? Does that sound even a little bit possible to you? Maybe?

No, I certainly do not. You, however, said it was a common occurrence:

Then you really don't know anything about acute mental illness in general, or the specific problems that bi-polar disorder can cause during pregnancy.
Bipolar disorder, however, can worsen during pregnancy. Pregnant women or new mothers with bipolar disorder have seven times the risk of hospital admissions than pregnant women who do not have bipolar disorder.
Bipolar Disorder in Pregnancy
 
Child taken from womb by social services - Telegraph



So the woman is in the UK for some kind of job training. Apparently she's being treated for some kind of bipolar disorder. She gets off her meds and calls the cops who take her to the nut house where a decision is made to take her baby.

She's not a citizen of the UK.


OK...so this isn't one of those things we discuss when talking about nationalized health care but should it be? Is this really the kind of decision we want the government to be making for us? I mean, near as I can tell there was no representation for this woman until after the fact.

This has "future Snopes article" written all over it.
 
Nobody can tell you patient names. Generally it is considered appropriate medical care and does not make the right wing noise machine. Rage on. :roll:

Forced c-sections are "generally" considered "appropriate medical care"? Now you're heading even deeper into la-la land. Pro-tip -- when you make one thing up out of whole cloth, don't make an even dumber thing up to try to support it. YOU know you're pulling this out of your ass. Do not for a second think that no one else notices.
 
Then you really don't know anything about acute mental illness in general, or the specific problems that bi-polar disorder can cause during pregnancy.
Bipolar Disorder in Pregnancy

Yeah? And forced c-sections are a common occurrence when it happens, as mak2 claims? OK, if you want on that train, go ahead and give more examples.
 
You really have no clue what you are talking about. I generally dont mind but sometimes the arrogant ignorance of some people is usually annoying, but you are so clueless it is funny.
Forced c-sections are "generally" considered "appropriate medical care"? Now you're heading even deeper into la-la land. Pro-tip -- when you make one thing up out of whole cloth, don't make an even dumber thing up to try to support it. YOU know you're pulling this out of your ass. Do not for a second think that no one else notices.
 
You really have no clue what you are talking about. I generally dont mind but sometimes the arrogant ignorance of some people is usually annoying, but you are so clueless it is funny.

You're the guy who's claiming that forced c-sections are a common occurrence here, there, and everywhere else. Find ONE shred of evidence to support this.
 
The sectioning procedure may, just may, have saved her life and that of her baby. A section isn't applied unless three experts believe the person poses a direct and immediate threat to themselves or the public.

Yeah, that great and all, but I don't see why that would change my opinion.
 
Yeah? And forced c-sections are a common occurrence when it happens, as mak2 claims? OK, if you want on that train, go ahead and give more examples.

I wasn't talking about enforced c-sections and, in Post 53, neither were you. People with bi-polar being sectioned is quite common; that is 'sectioned' i.e. taken into protective psychiatric custody, not 'c-sectioned' as in, delivered of a baby through surgical opening of the abdomen.
 
In the U.S. we already engage in morally questionable practices like involuntary institutional commitment of those who are deemed mentally ill, but nobody really gives a ****.
 
What would you perfer to do with them? I think Reagan closing down and doing away with most chronic mental health care in the country was criminal. In fact, that is where most of them ended up, in the criminal justice system.
In the U.S. we already engage in morally questionable practices like involuntary institutional commitment of those who are deemed mentally ill, but nobody really gives a ****.
 
What would you perfer to do with them? I think Reagan closing down and doing away with most chronic mental health care in the country was criminal. In fact, that is where most of them ended up, in the criminal justice system.

Leave them be. :shrug:
 
Here?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...en-womb-social-services-6.html#post1062614606

I most certainly was, as was mak2. You just jumped into the middle of the conversation having no idea what it was about, apparently. What happened to gathering the facts?

This gets tedious. I was responding to Post 53, and only to Post 53.

Post 53:

Mak3: Think for a minute, do you think it ever happens a pregnant woman goes off her meds and has psych issues? Does that sound even a little bit possible to you? Maybe?

You: No, I certainly do not. You, however, said it was a common occurrence.

What was a common occurrence? "A pregnant woman goes off her meds and has psych issues". No, you do not think it is a common occurrence.

Reading skills? I got 'em. Have you?
 
What facts do you know understand? I am not giving you patient names. A person of normal intelligence could figure out the complications of pregnancy and mental health problems. If you cant handle the very simplest basic healthcare concepts getting into more complicated stuff would just be frustrating, for me.
Here?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...en-womb-social-services-6.html#post1062614606

I most certainly was, as was mak2. You just jumped into the middle of the conversation having no idea what it was about, apparently. What happened to gathering the facts?
 
This gets tedious. I was responding to Post 53, and only to Post 53.

Post 53:

Mak3: Think for a minute, do you think it ever happens a pregnant woman goes off her meds and has psych issues? Does that sound even a little bit possible to you? Maybe?

You: No, I certainly do not. You, however, said it was a common occurrence.

What was a common occurrence? "A pregnant woman goes off her meds and has psych issues". No, you do not think it is a common occurrence.

Reading skills? I got 'em. Have you?

We were talking about forced c-sections and his assertions that they happen all the time.
 
What facts do you know understand? I am not giving you patient names. A person of normal intelligence could figure out the complications of pregnancy and mental health problems. If you cant handle the very simplest basic healthcare concepts getting into more complicated stuff would just be frustrating, for me.

:shrug: You said forced c-sections happen all the time, everywhere. If they did, you could provide evidence that they do. They don't, and you can't. All of the rest of this is just smokescreen. No one made you pull something out of your ass. You did that all on your own.
 
Where did I say forced c sections happen all the time. Complications with pregnancy and mental health issues do. Dont twist this. I dont think you have enough of an idea what we are talking about so now you are trying to say "they" forced c sections all the time. Not true.
We were talking about forced c-sections and his assertions that they happen all the time.
 
I think I said it has probably happened many times over the years. And I am sure it has.
:shrug: You said forced c-sections happen all the time, everywhere. If they did, you could provide evidence that they do. They don't, and you can't. All of the rest of this is just smokescreen. No one made you pull something out of your ass. You did that all on your own.
 
What would you perfer to do with them? I think Reagan closing down and doing away with most chronic mental health care in the country was criminal. In fact, that is where most of them ended up, in the criminal justice system.

I'm not making a judgment either way, I'm saying it's funny to see people get up in arms about what other countries do while remaining ignorant of the things we do at home.
 
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