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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    You want names? Think for a minute, do you think it every happens a pregnant woman goes off her meds and has psych issues? Does that sound even a little bit possible to you? Maybe?
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, you don't get out of it so easily. You made a factual assertion -- that this kind of thing happens a lot, everywhere -- and it's you who need to demonstrate that it's so.

    So it's hardly untoward to ask you for another example.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I think it's the way British Journalists write their reportings - but I always ave a hard time believing anything that comes from them. They present people's opinion statements, first, before presenting facts.

    I don't know - I read the outlandish stuff from Britain and go 'I don't believe that even happened.'
    Very sensible approach. Most of the British tabloid press have the journalistic credibility of the National Enquirer. The Telegraph is usually a pretty ethical paper, even though it's very right-wing, but that article seemed misleading from the headline onwards. Did you notice that the journalist didn't have a single quote or statement from the authorities concerned? They couldn't comment as that would breach confidentiality regulations relating to ongoing cases. That means that the lawyers have free rein and cannot be contradicted using embargoed evidence.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    You want names?
    So, you have no examples to back up your factual assertion. Not surprising when you pull something out of thin air.


    Think for a minute, do you think it every happens a pregnant woman goes off her meds and has psych issues? Does that sound even a little bit possible to you? Maybe?
    No, I certainly do not. You, however, said it was a common occurrence:

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    This same scenario has probably played out many times over the years in this country and everywhere else. Almost no meds are safe for pregnant women.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Nobody can tell you patient names. Generally it is considered appropriate medical care and does not make the right wing noise machine. Rage on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So, you have no examples to back up your factual assertion. Not surprising when you pull something out of thin air.




    No, I certainly do not. You, however, said it was a common occurrence:
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Think for a minute, do you think it ever happens a pregnant woman goes off her meds and has psych issues? Does that sound even a little bit possible to you? Maybe?
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, I certainly do not. You, however, said it was a common occurrence:
    Then you really don't know anything about acute mental illness in general, or the specific problems that bi-polar disorder can cause during pregnancy.
    Bipolar disorder, however, can worsen during pregnancy. Pregnant women or new mothers with bipolar disorder have seven times the risk of hospital admissions than pregnant women who do not have bipolar disorder.
    Bipolar Disorder in Pregnancy
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

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    Child taken from womb by social services - Telegraph



    So the woman is in the UK for some kind of job training. Apparently she's being treated for some kind of bipolar disorder. She gets off her meds and calls the cops who take her to the nut house where a decision is made to take her baby.

    She's not a citizen of the UK.


    OK...so this isn't one of those things we discuss when talking about nationalized health care but should it be? Is this really the kind of decision we want the government to be making for us? I mean, near as I can tell there was no representation for this woman until after the fact.
    This has "future Snopes article" written all over it.

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Nobody can tell you patient names. Generally it is considered appropriate medical care and does not make the right wing noise machine. Rage on.
    Forced c-sections are "generally" considered "appropriate medical care"? Now you're heading even deeper into la-la land. Pro-tip -- when you make one thing up out of whole cloth, don't make an even dumber thing up to try to support it. YOU know you're pulling this out of your ass. Do not for a second think that no one else notices.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Then you really don't know anything about acute mental illness in general, or the specific problems that bi-polar disorder can cause during pregnancy.
    Bipolar Disorder in Pregnancy
    Yeah? And forced c-sections are a common occurrence when it happens, as mak2 claims? OK, if you want on that train, go ahead and give more examples.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    You really have no clue what you are talking about. I generally dont mind but sometimes the arrogant ignorance of some people is usually annoying, but you are so clueless it is funny.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Forced c-sections are "generally" considered "appropriate medical care"? Now you're heading even deeper into la-la land. Pro-tip -- when you make one thing up out of whole cloth, don't make an even dumber thing up to try to support it. YOU know you're pulling this out of your ass. Do not for a second think that no one else notices.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    You really have no clue what you are talking about. I generally dont mind but sometimes the arrogant ignorance of some people is usually annoying, but you are so clueless it is funny.
    You're the guy who's claiming that forced c-sections are a common occurrence here, there, and everywhere else. Find ONE shred of evidence to support this.
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