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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Well at least you made me think of it for a moment, but no, I can't see how I can agree with harming her for making such a threat while doing nothing else.
    Well that was kind of my point. We don't really know anything at this point.

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I was careful to suggest reasons why certain decisions may have been made. I don't know the full details, and neither do either you or the journalists from the Telegraph. That article was full of 'according to her lawyers'. All the hyperbolic language appears to be coming from them.
    Hmmm. You don't know the facts, yet you assume their lawyers are being "hyperbolic," which assumes what they're saying isn't true. In any case, I don't see "hyperbolic language" coming from them, only you labeling what they say as being that.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    This same scenario has probably played out many times over the years in this country and everywhere else.
    On what basis, at all, do you assume this? Give other examples.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Oh I dunno, if she was threatening to stick a knife in her belly would be enough to cause a tiny bit of concern for the child I would imagine?
    Could be a good reason to strap her down. Not so much for slicing her open.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Hmmm. You don't know the facts, yet you assume their lawyers are being "hyperbolic," which assumes what they're saying isn't true. In any case, I don't see "hyperbolic language" coming from them, only you labeling what they say as being that.
    'Hyperbolic' doesn't mean untrue. It means deliberately exaggerated, and I use it to describe language from the article that suggests that things happened in this case when no evidence of such is provided. I'm not saying there isn't a case to answer here, I'm saying there's hardly any evidence provided to suggest that the correct procedure wasn't followed, or that the actions taken were incorrect.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Because pregnant women go off their meds so the meds dont hurt the baby, then go so crazy they are a danger to themselves, their babies and others. Look I understand this is just an outrage thread, and there may or may not be one but there is not enough evidence either way at this point, so pretend and rage away. There certainly are many cases where stuff like this could and should happen.
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    On what basis, at all, do you assume this? Give other examples.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Child taken from womb by social services - Telegraph



    So the woman is in the UK for some kind of job training. Apparently she's being treated for some kind of bipolar disorder. She gets off her meds and calls the cops who take her to the nut house where a decision is made to take her baby.

    She's not a citizen of the UK.


    OK...so this isn't one of those things we discuss when talking about nationalized health care but should it be? Is this really the kind of decision we want the government to be making for us? I mean, near as I can tell there was no representation for this woman until after the fact.
    I think it's the way British Journalists write their reportings - but I always ave a hard time believing anything that comes from them. They present people's opinion statements, first, before presenting facts.

    I don't know - I read the outlandish stuff from Britain and go 'I don't believe that even happened.'
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    'Hyperbolic' doesn't mean untrue. It means deliberately exaggerated, and I use it to describe language from the article that suggests that things happened in this case when no evidence of such is provided.
    Your specific examples being what?
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Because pregnant women go off their meds so the meds dont hurt the baby, then go so crazy they are a danger to themselves, their babies and others. Look I understand this is just an outrage thread, and there may or may not be one but there is not enough evidence either way at this point, so pretend and rage away. There certainly are many cases where stuff like this could and should happen.
    No, you don't get out of it so easily. You made a factual assertion -- that this kind of thing happens a lot, everywhere -- and it's you who need to demonstrate that it's so.

    So it's hardly untoward to ask you for another example.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    The forced cesarean is indeed unprecedented, but the fact that the state does often have the authority to remove a child from its parents and place it either in foster care or up for adoption is most certainly not new and happens in practically every Western country. I don't know why people are so surprised by this. The events in the OP happened 15 months ago and this woman still has not been able to get her daughter back. There's more than likely a very good reason for this. I'm not going to speculate on what that reason is and chances are we'll never find out.
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