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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    I can certainly see the scenario and I cant imagine a problem with medical ethics and the case above if the Pt is not competent to make decisions, too crazy because she cant take her meds because she is pregnant, a danger to herself and others. What would be your plan? Let her kill herself and baby, strap her down till she delivers...? This is almost certainly another mindless right wing outrage. As to why the Brits not sending the kid home...I dunno.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

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    That is an excellent question.

    What happened to his rights?
    Didn't you know? Fathers have no rights. Unless you live in a Muslim dominated society in which case women have no rights. There is no inbetween.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

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    Child taken from womb by social services - Telegraph



    So the woman is in the UK for some kind of job training. Apparently she's being treated for some kind of bipolar disorder. She gets off her meds and calls the cops who take her to the nut house where a decision is made to take her baby.

    She's not a citizen of the UK.


    OK...so this isn't one of those things we discuss when talking about nationalized health care but should it be? Is this really the kind of decision we want the government to be making for us? I mean, near as I can tell there was no representation for this woman until after the fact.
    No. That would just be fear mongering. If it happened one time in one country the only reason to bring it in to the argument is to try to scare the stupid people that Obama is going to rip away your baby from you if anything is wrong with you. Something that I'm surprised conservatives haven't already argued.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How can there possibly be a good reason for it?
    Oh I dunno, if she was threatening to stick a knife in her belly would be enough to cause a tiny bit of concern for the child I would imagine?

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    "Trust the secret courts, no matter how outrageous things may appear."

    Several of the things you mentioned are not the case, as shown in the story linked in the OP and another linked from there.

    'Operate on this mother so that we can take her baby’ - Telegraph

    Which you could have seen for yourself had you taken your own advice and looked.
    I was careful to suggest reasons why certain decisions may have been made. I don't know the full details, and neither do either you or the journalists from the Telegraph. That article was full of 'according to her lawyers'. All the hyperbolic language appears to be coming from them.

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    Let's try another few "maybe's":
    1. Why was her physician in Italy not contacted? We don't know that they weren't. None of the articles I've read have said, one way or another.
    2. Why was her family in Italy not contacted? This may have been a mistake, or time constraints may not have allowed.
    3. Why was an adoption by her extended family not allowed? How do we know that they were not, or that they may not be allowed to do so in the future? Again, none of the articles say so.
    4. Why was she not offered the opportunity for third party representation during this whole process and in particular BEFORE the decision was made to take the baby? The woman was clearly in a highly irrational, distressed state requiring sedation. Would she have been able to instruct representation? The sectioning procedure can only be invoked in circumstances in which a patient presents a risk to themselves or others. The decision is taken by two doctors and a social worker and another, "responsible medical officer" is appointed to observe and act as the patient's representative. None of the articles mentions whether such a person was indeed appointed. If they weren't then the law may have been breached.

    I would suggest that this incident was the result of a gross breach of public trust and an absolutely inhuman abuse of government authority.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    That is exactly the point and why it is posted here. It is exactly what they are saying.
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    No. That would just be fear mongering. If it happened one time in one country the only reason to bring it in to the argument is to try to scare the stupid people that Obama is going to rip away your baby from you if anything is wrong with you. Something that I'm surprised conservatives haven't already argued.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Oh I dunno, if she was threatening to stick a knife in her belly would be enough to cause a tiny bit of concern for the child I would imagine?
    Quite. Frankly, we have only the sketchiest details of what happened in this case, and all of those seem to be being provided by the woman's legal counsel. I think a bit of waiting and seeing may be in order. Proper procedure may not have been followed, but evidence for that doesn't seem to have been presented yet. Mistakes do get made, and people suffering bi-polar disorder are very vulnerable to over-reaction on the part of the authorities, usually because the consequences of under-reaction can be catastrophic.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Oh I dunno, if she was threatening to stick a knife in her belly would be enough to cause a tiny bit of concern for the child I would imagine?

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    Well at least you made me think of it for a moment, but no, I can't see how I can agree with harming her for making such a threat while doing nothing else.

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    if she was doing nothing else, they probably would not have. This same scenario has probably played out many times over the years in this country and everywhere else. Almost no meds are safe for pregnant women. This outrage piece is just meant to scare the conservative base. Even if there really was some sort of outrage, there is still no evidence
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    Well at least you made me think of it for a moment, but no, I can't see how I can agree with harming her for making such a threat while doing nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Well at least you made me think of it for a moment, but no, I can't see how I can agree with harming her for making such a threat while doing nothing else.
    The sectioning procedure may, just may, have saved her life and that of her baby. A section isn't applied unless three experts believe the person poses a direct and immediate threat to themselves or the public.
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