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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    There is no valid reason for any government to force a c-section on a woman who is not dying. I don't care the circumstances or the mental stability of the woman. This was wrong pure and simple.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Health and safety aren't inherently or solely healthcare issues -
    The enforcement is based on the idea that the government is responsible for your health and well-being.


    protection of life and the safety of the innocent is really a law enforcement matter, which is why social services, a quasi law enforcement agency, was the authority in charge, and not the department of health.
    The Children Act of 2004 classifies it under health, though it's up to local authorities how exactly to implement it.

    Children Act 2004

    England puts it under the Department for Education, while Northern Ireland actually has a Department of Health, Social Services, and Public Safety.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    This is a supposed defense of it:

    Child taken from womb by social services: it's not always wrong - Telegraph

    In which Sophie Khan, a "solicitor-advocate specialising in actions against the police and public authorities and legal director," starts off by saying she's going to give the rest of the story. All she does is repeat what we already know and say, essentially, "we should not question it." Man, if that's the best a lawyer whose supposed specialty is in holding the government accountable for civil rights can come up with for it . . . shweeeooo.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    There's an awful lot of hysterical fits being thrown by people here who don't know any details of the case in question. And we probably won't know the full details because the public does not always have the right to know them.

    She may have been given a C-section because there was no way to stop the baby coming and yet she was in a state of severe bipolar mania. The C-section may well have saved her life and that of the baby. She may well have been in no mental state to make a decision, so one had to be made for her.

    Her baby may have been taken into local authority care because the mother represented a severe threat to herself and the baby. That might well have been the correct decision.

    She may have lost her court case because she did not demonstrate that she was no longer a threat to her baby. In order to rpove that she was not, she'd have to provide expert witnesses and testimony that her condition was no longer precarious. Perhaps she didn't do that.


    Before people jump to conclusions they should get the facts. If they can't get those facts, they'd probably be advised not to comment as they make themselves look stupid.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There's an awful lot of hysterical fits being thrown by people here who don't know any details of the case in question. And we probably won't know the full details because the public does not always have the right to know them.

    She may have been given a C-section because there was no way to stop the baby coming and yet she was in a state of severe bipolar mania. The C-section may well have saved her life and that of the baby. She may well have been in no mental state to make a decision, so one had to be made for her.

    Her baby may have been taken into local authority care because the mother represented a severe threat to herself and the baby. That might well have been the correct decision.

    She may have lost her court case because she did not demonstrate that she was no longer a threat to her baby. In order to rpove that she was not, she'd have to provide expert witnesses and testimony that her condition was no longer precarious. Perhaps she didn't do that.


    Before people jump to conclusions they should get the facts. If they can't get those facts, they'd probably be advised not to comment as they make themselves look stupid.
    "Trust the secret courts, no matter how outrageous things may appear."

    Several of the things you mentioned are not the case, as shown in the story linked in the OP and another linked from there.

    'Operate on this mother so that we can take her baby’ - Telegraph

    Which you could have seen for yourself had you taken your own advice and looked.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There's an awful lot of hysterical fits being thrown by people here who don't know any details of the case in question. And we probably won't know the full details because the public does not always have the right to know them.

    She may have been given a C-section because there was no way to stop the baby coming and yet she was in a state of severe bipolar mania. The C-section may well have saved her life and that of the baby. She may well have been in no mental state to make a decision, so one had to be made for her.

    Her baby may have been taken into local authority care because the mother represented a severe threat to herself and the baby. That might well have been the correct decision.

    She may have lost her court case because she did not demonstrate that she was no longer a threat to her baby. In order to rpove that she was not, she'd have to provide expert witnesses and testimony that her condition was no longer precarious. Perhaps she didn't do that.


    Before people jump to conclusions they should get the facts. If they can't get those facts, they'd probably be advised not to comment as they make themselves look stupid.
    Let's try another few "maybe's":
    1. Why was her physician in Italy not contacted?
    2. Why was her family in Italy not contacted?
    3. Why was an adoption by her extended family not allowed?
    4. Why was she not offered the opportunity for third party representation during this whole process and in particular BEFORE the decision was made to take the baby?

    I would suggest that this incident was the result of a gross breach of public trust and an absolutely inhuman abuse of government authority.

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Child taken from womb by social services - Telegraph



    So the woman is in the UK for some kind of job training. Apparently she's being treated for some kind of bipolar disorder. She gets off her meds and calls the cops who take her to the nut house where a decision is made to take her baby.

    She's not a citizen of the UK.


    OK...so this isn't one of those things we discuss when talking about nationalized health care but should it be? Is this really the kind of decision we want the government to be making for us? I mean, near as I can tell there was no representation for this woman until after the fact
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    Unless there is something that we don't know it looks like the British government made a number of mistakes in this case.

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    There most certainly has to be more to this story. There is NO WAY this happened for no good reason.


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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    There most certainly has to be more to this story. There is NO WAY this happened for no good reason.


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    How can there possibly be a good reason for it?

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    It almost sounds like an abduction - ending up in a nut house like that. I wonder where the father of the baby is?



    That is an excellent question.

    What happened to his rights?

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