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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

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    There's also a lot missing on her state of pregnancy. I couldn't even seem to find how far along she was.
    It's interesting and a little scary. But yeah, there's a lot missing from the reporting, which leaves a lot to speculation. This is the type of thing that's just ripe for endless speculation...

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    What exactly is missing which would make this less . . . wow? Seriously, what could be brought to light which would make us say "oh . . . no big deal, then"?
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Child taken from womb by social services - Telegraph



    So the woman is in the UK for some kind of job training. Apparently she's being treated for some kind of bipolar disorder. She gets off her meds and calls the cops who take her to the nut house where a decision is made to take her baby.

    She's not a citizen of the UK.


    OK...so this isn't one of those things we discuss when talking about nationalized health care but should it be? Is this really the kind of decision we want the government to be making for us? I mean, near as I can tell there was no representation for this woman until after the fact.
    No one should doubt the seemingly unfettered powers of "social services" agents and agencies not just in Britain but all over the world. This is not a unique situation and has happened here in Canada where a woman has been considered unstable and/or mentally deranged due to drug use or other circumstances and is a danger to herself and her child.

    Also, no one should doubt that the health and safety of this child is in jeopardy as long as her fate is in the hands of social services. Stories are legion of innocent children being left to abuse, neglect and sometimes death by "overworked" social services agents, often just paper pushers who just want the "problem" off their hands and books.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No one should doubt the seemingly unfettered powers of "social services" agents and agencies not just in Britain but all over the world. This is not a unique situation and has happened here in Canada where a woman has been considered unstable and/or mentally deranged due to drug use or other circumstances and is a danger to herself and her child.

    Also, no one should doubt that the health and safety of this child is in jeopardy as long as her fate is in the hands of social services. Stories are legion of innocent children being left to abuse, neglect and sometimes death by "overworked" social services agents, often just paper pushers who just want the "problem" off their hands and books.
    I have seen more than a few people -- here and elsewhere -- say "if my taxes are paying for your healthcare, I get a say in how you live."
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I have seen more than a few people -- here and elsewhere -- say "if my taxes are paying for your healthcare, I get a say in how you live."
    From what I've seen, this story has nothing to do with healthcare and everything to do with the intrusion of the state into the lives of people and their children. The state believes it has an unfettered right to raise children as it sees fit and if you cross the line, you risk having the state abduct your children and placing them in what they believe is a more suitable child-rearing environment.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    From what I've seen, this story has nothing to do with healthcare and everything to do with the intrusion of the state into the lives of people and their children. The state believes it has an unfettered right to raise children as it sees fit and if you cross the line, you risk having the state abduct your children and placing them in what they believe is a more suitable child-rearing environment.
    The concepts are intertwined, though. They spring from the same basic reasoning.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Child taken from womb by social services - Telegraph



    So the woman is in the UK for some kind of job training. Apparently she's being treated for some kind of bipolar disorder. She gets off her meds and calls the cops who take her to the nut house where a decision is made to take her baby.

    She's not a citizen of the UK.


    OK...so this isn't one of those things we discuss when talking about nationalized health care but should it be? Is this really the kind of decision we want the government to be making for us? I mean, near as I can tell there was no representation for this woman until after the fact.

    I think this is less an issue with regard to nationalized medicine and more an interesting talking point concerning abortion. UK legal protection extends to the baby in the womb, which is why the cesarean was done in the first place. It is interesting that there isn't a lot of uproar that the procedure was done, only that the Italian government wasn't notified and the child hasn't been returned to the mother. It leaves me wondering if this baby would even be alive today in a country with more "progressive" abortion laws.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The concepts are intertwined, though. They spring from the same basic reasoning.
    That could be - but not readily apparent in any way, in my view.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That could be - but not readily apparent in any way, in my view.
    Health and Safety.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Health and Safety.
    Health and safety aren't inherently or solely healthcare issues - protection of life and the safety of the innocent is really a law enforcement matter, which is why social services, a quasi law enforcement agency, was the authority in charge, and not the department of health.
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