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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    No. That would just be fear mongering. If it happened one time in one country the only reason to bring it in to the argument is to try to scare the stupid people that Obama is going to rip away your baby from you if anything is wrong with you. Something that I'm surprised conservatives haven't already argued.
    I do not doubt that Obama would oppose "social services" have that sort of power here. Given that the father is a citizen of the United States I want to know what the administration's position on this.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Oh I dunno, if she was threatening to stick a knife in her belly would be enough to cause a tiny bit of concern for the child I would imagine?

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    The forced cesarean is indeed unprecedented, but the fact that the state does often have the authority to remove a child from its parents and place it either in foster care or up for adoption is most certainly not new and happens in practically every Western country. I don't know why people are so surprised by this. The events in the OP happened 15 months ago and this woman still has not been able to get her daughter back. There's more than likely a very good reason for this. I'm not going to speculate on what that reason is and chances are we'll never find out.
    Part of the issue is that the mother is NOT a British subject and is an Italian citizen and her rights and the childs rights of being an Itialian citizen by birth are violated. This is not an issue that the British government should on its own be deciding. There would be no issue if the mother was a British subject and was just an internal issue.
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Child taken from womb by social services - Telegraph



    So the woman is in the UK for some kind of job training. Apparently she's being treated for some kind of bipolar disorder. She gets off her meds and calls the cops who take her to the nut house where a decision is made to take her baby.

    She's not a citizen of the UK.


    OK...so this isn't one of those things we discuss when talking about nationalized health care but should it be? Is this really the kind of decision we want the government to be making for us? I mean, near as I can tell there was no representation for this woman until after the fact.


    This has very little to do with Britain's healthcare system, but everything to do with their Social Services....Ours is as bad or worse than theirs....Ours
    may not force the hospital to take the baby out, but they will sure be there to take it from the hospital..

    Did you know that you have no civil rights when dealing with your County Department of Human or Social Services? Did you know that your local DHS office has more power than your local police department?

    Did you know that they can come to your home, without a warrant or court order, and seize your children on the complaint of a teacher, neighbor, or relative? Did you know that they can snatch your children if you leave them unattended for a few moments, even if it isn't against the law?

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No one should doubt the seemingly unfettered powers of "social services" agents and agencies not just in Britain but all over the world. This is not a unique situation and has happened here in Canada where a woman has been considered unstable and/or mentally deranged due to drug use or other circumstances and is a danger to herself and her child.

    Also, no one should doubt that the health and safety of this child is in jeopardy as long as her fate is in the hands of social services. Stories are legion of innocent children being left to abuse, neglect and sometimes death by "overworked" social services agents, often just paper pushers who just want the "problem" off their hands and books.


    You have hit the nail on the head... State Social Service agencies in the U.S. have way too much power... Once DHS takes possession of your child, they place them into protective custody and into foster care and you can't do a thing about it.... Unlike criminal cases, where you have certain rights and protections through rule of law, in DHS civil cases you have no such rights or protections. No absolute proof of anything is required, just the say so of anybody with an agenda, who will sign an affidavit to what they "say" that they saw or heard and voila--your kids are gone...

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The concepts are intertwined, though. They spring from the same basic reasoning.



    You don't have to be on welfare to have your children kidnapped by your State Dept of Social Services....

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    This has very little to do with Britain's healthcare system, but everything to do with their Social Services....Ours is as bad or worse than theirs....Ours
    may not force the hospital to take the baby out, but they will sure be there to take it from the hospital..

    Did you know that you have no civil rights when dealing with your County Department of Human or Social Services? Did you know that your local DHS office has more power than your local police department?

    Did you know that they can come to your home, without a warrant or court order, and seize your children on the complaint of a teacher, neighbor, or relative? Did you know that they can snatch your children if you leave them unattended for a few moments, even if it isn't against the law?
    So what you're telling me is that adult mental health services in the UK are overseen by social services?

    Look, performing a caesarian without informed consent is only one part of the issue here. This woman was just visiting the UK. She was there for her job...living in a hotel. There is no indication that her family or physician were consulted regarding her treatment. She doesn't seem to have been appointed a third party advocate. Then, after all that, they take her baby and won't give it back to her or to her extended family. So far I haven't seen anything that would indicate that she was a danger to the child and even if she was why won't they release the child to a family member?

    Based on what I have read of this I can't reasonably assume that these decisions are anything less than a gross violation of the public trust and what's worse is that since that violation is by the government there really isn't any recourse for the injured party. That, in a nutshell, is my biggest concern about nationalized health care.

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    So it gets even worse the child has citizenship of three countries and the offer of fostering of relatives in the US has been rejected.
    Yep, that's in the story. Apparently the court denied the father's sister custody because she's not a "blood relative."
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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    You have hit the nail on the head... State Social Service agencies in the U.S. have way too much power... Once DHS takes possession of your child, they place them into protective custody and into foster care and you can't do a thing about it.... Unlike criminal cases, where you have certain rights and protections through rule of law, in DHS civil cases you have no such rights or protections. No absolute proof of anything is required, just the say so of anybody with an agenda, who will sign an affidavit to what they "say" that they saw or heard and voila--your kids are gone...
    Oh please.. Seriously you watch too many movies.

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    Re: Child taken from womb by social services

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Oh please.. Seriously you watch too many movies.

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    Well, there have been numerous and well-publicised cases where social services over-reach, negligence and malpractice have led to some terrible outcomes. The case from the OP may or may not be such a case, we simply don't have the evidence to make a judgement, yet.

    I do agree that a lot of people here are making wild assumptions based on scant accurate information and some seriously dodgy reporting, fed no doubt by a liberal (or conservative) dose of paranoia.
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