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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

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    we would let it be known that an invasion of Israel would result in a large scale war. the rest of it is on SA as the regional hegemon.

    we aren't the world's army. the world does not pay a tax for the service, and it also doesn't get a vote in our elections. global police missions are no more our responsibility than they are Switzerland's. it's way past time that we accept this and start scaling back and bringing people home. i think you'll be surprised at how much of a less appealing target we will become. then we can spend the money on more important things, like figuring out a way to replace gasoline with something domestic that we don't have to defend our access to militarily.
    It seems that the two bolded statements above conflict. We are not the world's army but we are the Israeli army? Are there any other nations that we "must" both permanently aid and defend?
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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It seems that the two bolded statements above conflict. We are not the world's army but we are the Israeli army? Are there any other nations that we "must" both permanently aid and defend?
    the relationship with Israel has to continue in some form. that situation is unique, because if we were to completely abandon all commitments, it's likely that somebody would make a move. Israel is a nuclear power, and would probably use those weapons as a last resort. we'd surely get sucked in if that happened, so we have to keep ties.

    we should minimize the commitment, though. i'd be pretty satisfied with what i proposed in the previous post. basically, limit it to preventing an invasion. everything else should be handled by regional players.

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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the relationship with Israel has to continue in some form. that situation is unique, because if we were to completely abandon all commitments, it's likely that somebody would make a move. Israel is a nuclear power, and would probably use those weapons as a last resort. we'd surely get sucked in if that happened, so we have to keep ties.

    we should minimize the commitment, though. i'd be pretty satisfied with what i proposed in the previous post. basically, limit it to preventing an invasion. everything else should be handled by regional players.
    I am also sure that little, if anything, will change. As I stated, or tried to state, the powers that be depend on keeping massive amounts of gov't spending coming their way.
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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

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    So much for that Patriot Act, the NSA, and Homeland Security doing a lot of good.. Sounds like all this **** was a giant waste of money. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Be afraid...always be afraid...and continue to pump billions into security due to that fear.
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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    that situation is unique, because if we were to completely abandon all commitments, it's likely that somebody would make a move. Israel is a nuclear power, and would probably use those weapons as a last resort.
    Because whupping all your neighbors at once in six days is a sure sign that a country is a weakling just waiting to be bullied?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Because whupping all your neighbors at once in six days is a sure sign that a country is a weakling just waiting to be bullied?
    i didn't make this claim.

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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i didn't make this claim.
    You said it was likely that Israel would be attacked if the US wasn't backing it. I am asking if the outcome of the six-day war helped you reach your conclusion that Israel is suspended over a precarious precipice by the thread of US backing.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    You said it was likely that Israel would be attacked if the US wasn't backing it. I am asking if the outcome of the six-day war helped you reach your conclusion that Israel is suspended over a precarious precipice by the thread of US backing.
    yeah, i'd say without our backing, Israel is more likely to be attacked. i didn't say obliterated.

    i'd be happy to see us get out of all interventionism, honestly. however, we'd end up getting dragged in to an Israeli regional war anyway, so i'm fine with us saying that we will prevent an invasion if it comes to that.

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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yeah, i'd say without our backing, Israel is more likely to be attacked. i didn't say obliterated.
    Because Israel's neighbor's think starting a war they would lose is a good idea? Or what exactly?

    We're backing Israel because they are the big dog on the block and we want influence on that block.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Because Israel's neighbor's think starting a war they would lose is a good idea? Or what exactly?

    We're backing Israel because they are the big dog on the block and we want influence on that block.
    the outcome of a theoretical war in the complete absence of US help is not quite as guaranteed as you are presenting it, and if it went nuclear, we'd get sucked in. as for influence on the block, i could give a ****. we need to take care of our own country first.

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