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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    he who trys to defend everything defends nothing

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    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    This isn't new news. Back in early 2012 some Senators on the Intelligence Committee were informed by the CIA the same time Barack Obama was informed that Al Qaeda has expanded it's base of operations and is larger and more dangerous than back in 2008. The Senators were shaking their heads when Obama was on the campaign trail, even after the Benghazi attacks telling the American people that "Al Qaeda is being decimated" and "was on the run." As if Obama was never informed by the CIA.

    Why has it taken over a year for a Senator to speak out and tell the truth ? And it was a Democrat, Sen. Feinstein.

    Back in 2012 all anyone had to do is watch news videos streaming in from the Middle East and Africa and see the Al Qaeda black flag flying all over the Middle East and North Africa.

    Glad to see there's one Senator who has cajones.
    it's cojones ... everybody has cajones (dresser drawers) ... the problem is that we think it's only Al-Quaeda (when there are many other groups), and as long as we try to impose our view on the rest of the world, there are consequences, and I can't see us stopping, because capitalism requires more and more markets and more and more consumers ... as Benjamin Barber put it in his seminal article Jihad versus McWorld ... these two forces are in opposition to one another, but what they have in common with each other is that neither is democratic ...

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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yeah because nuking Mecca will stop those Jihads alright.
    The only thing that will stop them is pressure from "good Muslims" and the actions of their gov'ts. Sending them gobs of money and troops is not working. Pretending that these terrorists are able to work in a vacuum is rediculous. We have found that in over a decade of handholding, bribing all the right folks and with a fair amount of US military assistance, that we are still playing an endless game of whack-a-mole in Afghanistan. If we cannot secure our own border then we will certainly not secure theirs.
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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeafone View Post
    I trust you're kidding ...
    The plan of bribing their gov't officials, sending them gobs of aid and even deploying our troops for over a decade are not working. They laugh at us while spending the cash we give them, increase their heroin production and continue to pretend not to know how to identify terrorists. Afghanistan is a nation that has but one paved road and we trust their gov't? The 911 participants were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Yemen, UBL was killed in his safe house in Pakistan and we pay their gov'ts billions. I trust that you are kidding if you support our current "war on terror" battle plan.
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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The plan of bribing their gov't officials, sending them gobs of aid and even deploying our troops for over a decade are not working. They laugh at us while spending the cash we give them, increase their heroin production and continue to pretend not to know how to identify terrorists. Afghanistan is a nation that has but one paved road and we trust their gov't? The 911 participants were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Yemen, UBL was killed in his safe house in Pakistan and we pay their gov'ts billions. I trust that you are kidding if you support our current "war on terror" battle plan.
    I asked you if you were serious about nuking thousands of people ... I didn't say what I thought about the war on terror ... I just wanted to gauge just how sick you are ...

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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The only thing that will stop them is pressure from "good Muslims" and the actions of their gov'ts. Sending them gobs of money and troops is not working. Pretending that these terrorists are able to work in a vacuum is rediculous. We have found that in over a decade of handholding, bribing all the right folks and with a fair amount of US military assistance, that we are still playing an endless game of whack-a-mole in Afghanistan. If we cannot secure our own border then we will certainly not secure theirs.
    I agree that the current strategy is not working, I'm just commented that your solution of "nuke mecca" would not either.

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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The only thing that will stop them is pressure from "good Muslims" and the actions of their gov'ts. Sending them gobs of money and troops is not working. Pretending that these terrorists are able to work in a vacuum is rediculous. We have found that in over a decade of handholding, bribing all the right folks and with a fair amount of US military assistance, that we are still playing an endless game of whack-a-mole in Afghanistan. If we cannot secure our own border then we will certainly not secure theirs.
    Nuking Mecca would cause far more problems than it would solve. For starters, a nuclear strike on Saudi soil would assuredly spell the end of Israel, not to mention potential nuclear retaliation from other states dependent on Saudi oil. So sure, if you want to start World War III with a gesture that would only piss off the Jihadists even more, have at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The plan of bribing their gov't officials, sending them gobs of aid and even deploying our troops for over a decade are not working. They laugh at us while spending the cash we give them, increase their heroin production and continue to pretend not to know how to identify terrorists. Afghanistan is a nation that has but one paved road and we trust their gov't? The 911 participants were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Yemen, UBL was killed in his safe house in Pakistan and we pay their gov'ts billions. I trust that you are kidding if you support our current "war on terror" battle plan.
    Mind you, I don't think our current "War on Terror" plan is a particularly good one. But I don't think nuking Mecca is a reasonable alternative; in fact, I think it would be a disastrous one.
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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yeah because nuking Mecca will stop those Jihads alright.
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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I agree that the current strategy is not working, I'm just commented that your solution of "nuke mecca" would not either.
    I did qualify that action, as being only after a significant attack on the US. My point is that we apply no pressure to force these Muslim morons to clean up their act, in fact, we actually pay some of them to sit back and watch us deal with terrorists inside their nations. That is simply nuts.
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    Re: America Is 'Less Safe' Than 2 Years Ago, Intelligence Committee Chairs Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Nuking Mecca would cause far more problems than it would solve. For starters, a nuclear strike on Saudi soil would assuredly spell the end of Israel, not to mention potential nuclear retaliation from other states dependent on Saudi oil. So sure, if you want to start World War III with a gesture that would only piss off the Jihadists even more, have at it.



    Mind you, I don't think our current "War on Terror" plan is a particularly good one. But I don't think nuking Mecca is a reasonable alternative; in fact, I think it would be a disastrous one.
    The idea is not to have to nuke anything, or keep fighting crazy Jihadists, but to apply pressure on Saudi Arabia and other "good Muslim" states to take care of this nonsense. They now take our money and sit back and watch (or cheer?) the Jihadists.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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