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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Look at the picture of the damage, that car shouldn't have caught on fire and burned. Porsche may have a lawsuit on it's hands.

    Such supercars - which they are REALLY rolling out in increasing now - are VERY limited production and DO NOT go thru required crash testing. Their production numbers are too low to be required - and why most only make nor more than 499 per year of any particular model. The total production of what I have was only 194 worldwide total all of the 3 years it was made - averaging less than 100 per year. So the model went thru no government crash or safety testing and standards.

    They don't crash 10 top-line Ferraris to test for USA Federal standards, nor Porsche GTs. Likelihood of catching on fire in an accident is one testing standard. The Porsche GT wouldn't have had to meet it. Had those two been in a Camry or Chevy Impala in that same accident they'd likely have just walked away from it. These supercars are a mixed bag. It probably could have handled a blowout at 170 mph, but this particularly scenario leading to a fire was not anticipated or designed to avoid. These are all semi-hand custom cars, not assembly line cars.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ...then we also have THAT GUY that shows up to point out all THOSE OTHER GUYS... Yep. I like being this guy because it is interesting to point out all the idiotic idol worship and false sympathy. Mother and baby die in child birth. No story. No sympathy. Some random guy actor dies and it is head lines and people care. Stupid. I am that guy and I love it.
    Who cares? If an actor was in a film or series of films that gave someone joy, who the **** are you to come and deuce all over their sadness? I for one thought the F&F movies were stupid and I don't think I ever saw Paul Walker in anything other than Varsity Blues, but geez. If you don't like the thread, then just pass on it.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ...then we also have THAT GUY that shows up to point out all THOSE OTHER GUYS... Yep. I like being this guy because it is interesting to point out all the idiotic idol worship and false sympathy. Mother and baby die in child birth. No story. No sympathy. Some random guy actor dies and it is head lines and people care. Stupid. I am that guy and I love it.
    No sympathy? Not really Bodhi. Just because it's not headline news doesn't mean that people wouldn't be saddened by the news. For many of us itís impossible to deny our instinctual human response to death and loss, irrespective of who it may be.

    I have no issue with his death being headline news. His death just might save someones life. If you could take something positive from Paul Walkers passing it would be a message to the young people who idolised Paul and his F & F movies movies. The message is that it doesn't matter how much money you have, how famous you are, you aren't invincible. No one in real life should drive like he did in F & F and driving high powered vehicles and losing control can get you killed. Hell it can even kill your best buddy in the car set along side you and if you really **** up you can kill innocent bystanders going about their day to day business.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

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    In principle I agree with you, only I also think it reasonable to figure the car didn't likely have numerous failures at the same time. Even if the throttle stuck, there are so many other computer controls that will kick in (unless turned off or reprogrammed), that still wouldn't lead to an accident. So if it had been a Toyota or other ordinary car? Possible. But that is all but impossible in a Porsche GT. The computers more drive the car than the driver does. A "stuck throttle" would trigger front-to-rear tire sensors, the brakes and transmission to shut it down within milliseconds. I don't think mechanical failure alone could account for this, though could contribute.

    The shop that worked on my CL65 was astonished at the vast array of sensors all feeding computers, and I had no clue how much the computer systems of such cars now do - including for safety. Prior to it, I had a Jaguar XKR (a supercharged version of the XKE). I got rid of it because the computers SO MUCH control over the car for safety's sake it was annoying. Until the CL65 I had no clue that cars had computers that operate the brakes and throttle - like it or not. It can be almost like your just along for the ride. And the failure safeguards even worse. If the computers sense ANYTHING is wrong, they literally shut the car down - and then MAY allow you to limp home in 2nd gear. They do not want either warranty claims on multi-six figure cars nor products liability lawsuits by people rich enough to buy them.

    Supercars are SERIOUSLY programs to STOP IT AND SHUT IT DOWN! if anything goes wrong. That doesn't mean just turning off the motor. It means taking control of the throttle, brakes and suspension while shutting it down. Some actually are starting to even take over steering too.

    Jeremy Clark bought a Ford F40 and immediately came to hate it, because the computer just keep turning the car off sensing something was wrong.

    We also get into the question of if a person goes into a 30 posted curve at 90 in a car that can do it, but blows a tire while doing so and it wrecks, is that accident solely due to mechanical failure? I suppose that would be how someone looks at it.
    I get where you are going with it, but any catastrophic failure can happen on any machine, you just hope it doesn't happen at a critical time. We don't know what happened here yet, but it will come out I'm sure in the next couple of months. I warned people against that new "super Nissan" that came out which had even more tech than other supercars that drivers get "too used to" having the car do the work and once stuff fails it's too late to learn.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Who cares? If an actor was in a film or series of films that gave someone joy, who the **** are you to come and deuce all over their sadness? I for one thought the F&F movies were stupid and I don't think I ever saw Paul Walker in anything other than Varsity Blues, but geez. If you don't like the thread, then just pass on it.
    No. I will stay. Thanks... he was in that movie with Jessica Alba in her bikini all movie... Into the Deep. That one was cool . The F&F were stupid beyond belief. If people don't like my deuce and a half, thank you very much, then don't post on the world wide web.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Look at the picture of the damage, that car shouldn't have caught on fire and burned. Porsche may have a lawsuit on it's hands.

    Such supercars - which they are REALLY rolling out in increasing now - are VERY limited production and DO NOT go thru required crash testing. Their production numbers are too low to be required - and why most only make nor more than 499 per year of any particular model. The total production of what I have was only 194 worldwide total all of the 3 years it was made - averaging less than 100 per year. So the model went thru no government crash or safety testing and standards.

    They don't crash 10 top-line Ferraris to test for USA Federal standards, nor Porsche GTs. Likelihood of catching on fire in an accident is one testing standard. The Porsche GT wouldn't have had to meet it. Had those two been in a Camry or Chevy Impala in that same accident they'd likely have just walked away from it. These supercars are a mixed bag. It probably could have handled a blowout at 170 mph, but this particularly scenario leading to a fire was not anticipated or designed to avoid. These are all semi-hand custom cars, not assembly line cars.
    The angle of a crash determines a lot of that too. It's all about the fuel rail in these types of crashes, if the impact was "just right" it wouldn't have mattered what the make/model/ or crash speed was. Even in safety testing, as low as 25MPH has been proven to be lethal impact at certain points of distress.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I get where you are going with it, but any catastrophic failure can happen on any machine, you just hope it doesn't happen at a critical time. We don't know what happened here yet, but it will come out I'm sure in the next couple of months. I warned people against that new "super Nissan" that came out which had even more tech than other supercars that drivers get "too used to" having the car do the work and once stuff fails it's too late to learn.
    I get what you are saying. These low production ubber performance cars are a double edged sword. They do allow a 100% maximum the car can do more than other cars. The computers allow you to do what no other cars can do and that's great. But even without mechanical or electronic failure, if you take that car past that absolute ability level, you will lose the car far worse than other cars - and at a much higher speed. Mechanical/computer/electric failure also would be a disastrous too.

    The car I have had all limiters removed and SERIOUS power upgrading the obviously super rich first owner. The car has the capability to go 224 miles per hour. Worthless in any usage sense, but impressive. However, the car being capable of doing 224 mph doesn't mean the tires can do 224 mph. I'm sure than can't. They've been on it too long nor are rated for it. So, really, how fast it can go is as fast as it's going - immediately before I died.

    A trivia fact? The tires on the $2 million dollar Bugatti Veyron cost $70,000 dollars to replace, and they MUST be replaced every 2rd high speed run - and they recommend only 1. You can't even go for 250 mph unless the computer has been told the tires are fresh. Before you can take the car to just over 200 mph, you have to completely stop the car, change the mode it's in, and then the computers will do a diagnosis of the car, DROP it's rear air foil, drop the car down and ONLY then will the car decide it will even allow you to try to go that fast.

    Personally, for performance fun driving, I preferred the lesser, ordinary cars. They're are fun without the radical g forces, intensity, and fear factors. Plus you don't get to as fast as you dare go without risking a ticket that would destroy you - in about 6 seconds from a standing stop. What I have will get to 60 in just a tad over 3 seconds, and that is limited due to tire hook up problems from a start. It will hit 100 in just over 6 seconds. Insane. Unusable. Unpleasant. An old sports car with a manual tranny straining thru the gears is more fun, though less than half as fast. I always thought I'd love the performance of a super car. Candidly, I don't.

    I really would like to know what all they find in the accident, but doubt those details will be published. I bet Porsche is going to crawl all over that car. Whether this will help or hurt Porsche sales is up in the air. It could make that model desirable as a collectable, like Porsche speedsters the same as James Dean was driving can be worth millions. Or it could make them seem like lemons.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The angle of a crash determines a lot of that too. It's all about the fuel rail in these types of crashes, if the impact was "just right" it wouldn't have mattered what the make/model/ or crash speed was. Even in safety testing, as low as 25MPH has been proven to be lethal impact at certain points of distress.
    Yes, however also suggests more. The fuel SHOULD have been instantly shut off in an accident with that level of impact. Then again we don't know how long they were in the car before help arrived. These super cars cut safety corners, something Mecedes is bitching about and struggling with - because they don't. BUT this makes even their super cars MUCH heavier. That Porsche GT was half a ton lighter than Mercedes SL65 Black series and many hundreds of pounds lighter than the McLaren.

    Except for the 928 and the other front engine Porsches, I've always felt rear engine Porsches are dangerous, including their tendency to understeer into a corner and oversteer out of it. But that just personal opinion. A rear/mid engine car does not need the center section rigidity of a front engine car (which has to deal with frame torque twisting a rear engine doesn't have to.) This tends to make rear/mid engined cars far more damaged in a side impact. There's not as much structure. Structure that would protect occupants. And fuel lines. The fuel line on my MB runs up the center of the car, with the driveshaft "looped".And it's steel braided - all factory done. A side impact would have to reach thru half way thru the center chassis, which has an internal carbon steel boxed roll cage.

    Porsches, more than any major manufacturer of super cars, tends to take a go-fast at any cost approach. Some Lambos are that way. Ferrari has always been fairly safety conscious. I saw an Ferrari Enzo that side impacted and it literally broke in half - completely. But the passenger compartment fully intact as a break-away safety box so-to-speak.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No. I will stay. Thanks... he was in that movie with Jessica Alba in her bikini all movie... Into the Deep. That one was cool . The F&F were stupid beyond belief. If people don't like my deuce and a half, thank you very much, then don't post on the world wide web.
    Each F&F plot was more absurd than the next, though I enjoyed the early ones. They just became too extreme - and too much into video graphics.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Look at the picture of the damage, that car shouldn't have caught on fire and burned.

    Had those two been in a Camry or Chevy Impala in that same accident they'd likely have just walked away from it



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