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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    What I don't like is when this type of thing happens people proclaim that it was automatically "stupid". Like I've said earlier, pending witness statements and forensic analysis it's impossible to know what happened from reading the initial account. Anything can happen in a vehicle to make even safe operation fail, tie rods can break, brakes can fail, lose a center link and you will be all over the place, steering column can have a fatal failure like a crack, throttle can stick even when new(especially with the new hybrid mechanical/cpu ones), hell, if the gear box suddenly goes out or the power steering unit fails unexpectedly there is going to be a huge problem.
    If that was a 180 degree posted 15 mph curve, and given it was a Porsche GT, there is no possibility that excessive speed wasn't the factor. However, the car's computer restraints could have been turned off and the software modified - so the car could no longer take the corner at the speed it otherwise could have.

    That much damage couldn't have been caused at 15-20 per hour even if all the wheels had fallen off as he steered directly towards the pole deliberated. It would take a lot of speed in a Porsche GT to lose it enough to hit a pole sideways. Cars don't drive sideways.

    Photos of people losing control of such super cars are not rare. It's like driving a car with an auxillary rocket shed motor on the back. I bet the Porsche had performance software upgrading and traction control was turned off. I would bet he "punched" it with traction control off to do the traditional powering into a curve to "drift" around the corner. It would NOT work in that car. You cannot do it with traction control on - the car won't allow it. And you can't do it with traction control off because there is TOO much power if you do. TOO much power can prevent certain performance actions as can too little - but if too much you will crash when it comes to "drifting" - which is very popular in some circles.

    I won't say the driver was an idiot. I will say he obviously really screwed up. Like everyone else will do a million times in their life time. But this screw up cost him his life. And that of a passenger. That I can fault him with. You don't drive like a demon with someone else in the car, not around corners.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Three separate threads on this actor who was in a car crash, yet no coverage of the hundreds of soldiers who died in Afghanistan this year.
    So make a thread about it and stop whining.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If that was a 180 degree posted 15 mph curve, and given it was a Porsche GT, there is no possibility that excessive speed wasn't the factor. However, the car's computer restraints could have been turned off and the software modified - so the car could no longer take the corner at the speed it otherwise could have.

    That much damage could have been caused at 15-20 per hour even if all the wheels had fallen off as he steered directly towards the pole deliberated.

    Photos of people losing control of such super cars are not rare. It's like driving a car with an auxillary rocket shed motor on the back. I bet in had performance software upgrading and traction control was turned off.
    Speed had to be excessive for the turn, not arguing that. However people are proclaiming driver error(likely) without all the facts. A high performance car can get up there quickly, and if a throttle sticks as has been seen on multiple vehicle models since the new CPU/Mechanical hybrids have been introduced it could be a factor, anything could have happened is my point. I don't like the fact that people are automatically jumping the gun and speculating one way or the other.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    So what? Guy died. People die everyday. Why do people mourn because he was an actor?
    I think people would post the correct courtesy regardless of who.

    Being an actor - and considering what movies he was in (driving cars crazy fast and with piles of accidents in those movies) makes it "ironic." Thus making it a top story. And there is a lesson to learn too. Stunt driving in movies isn't real. The actual cars he drove weren't performance built up at all, but ordinary cars with original motors and a cool paint job. And if you ever read about such car-movies, you will find they usually needed many cars for the main car, because so many would get wrecked even doing the carefully planned stunts.

    The First Gone in 60 Seconds took 4 Mustangs. The star of that movie was actually killed in an accident while stunt driving on the street for a subsequent movie. Even in the original movie there is a scene when he lost control of a car hitting a pole - which was NOT in the script. Even in scripted, planned ubber fast driving for movies they have unplanned accidents.

    There is something to be learned from his death. Don't think all the cool stuff you see in the Fast and Furious movies is something you cannot do without REAL risk of accident and lose of life - yours and other people. He was the original primary star of the most popular street racing movies ever made. So there is something to be learned from his death in a high speed cornering wreck while in a half million dollar super car.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I think people would post the correct courtesy regardless of who.

    Being an actor - and considering what movies he was in (driving cars crazy fast and with piles of accidents in those movies) makes it "ironic." Thus making it a top story. And there is a lesson to learn too. Stunt driving in movies isn't real. The actual cars he drove weren't performance built up at all, but ordinary cars with original motors and a cool paint job. And if you ever read about such car-movies, you will find they usually needed many cars for the main car, because so many would get wrecked even doing the carefully planned stunts.

    The First Gone in 60 Seconds took 4 Mustangs. The star of that movie was actually killed in an accident while stunt driving on the street for a subsequent movie. Even in the original movie there is a scene when he lost control of a car hitting a pole - which was NOT in the script. Even in scripted, planned ubber fast driving for movies they have unplanned accidents.

    There is something to be learned from his death. Don't think all the cool stuff you see in the Fast and Furious movies is something you cannot do without REAL risk of accident and lose of life - yours and other people. He was the original primary star of the most popular street racing movies ever made. So there is something to be learned from his death in a high speed cornering wreck while in a half million dollar super car.
    If people wanted to have an educational discussion about this that is one thing... I am talking about the endless "stars" that people talk about, revere and treat like gods. Guy died. Big deal.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    So what? Guy died. People die everyday. Why do people mourn because he was an actor?
    I wasn't a fan of his F & F movies, they didn't do a whole lot of for me but i watched some of them numerous times.

    I don't care who they are, actor - non actor - random guy in the street - whatever. Don't mourn if you don't want to but why does it bother people if someone does. It doesn't affect you in any way shape or form.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    So what? Guy died. People die everyday. Why do people mourn because he was an actor?
    Every time a celebrity dies and someone posts about it on a message board or Facebook, there's always gotta be THAT guy who posts this, and also THAT OTHER GUY who starts complaining that we're not given soldiers enough respect. You can set your watch by it.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Speed had to be excessive for the turn, not arguing that. However people are proclaiming driver error(likely) without all the facts. A high performance car can get up there quickly, and if a throttle sticks as has been seen on multiple vehicle models since the new CPU/Mechanical hybrids have been introduced it could be a factor, anything could have happened is my point. I don't like the fact that people are automatically jumping the gun and speculating one way or the other.
    In principle I agree with you, only I also think it reasonable to figure the car didn't likely have numerous failures at the same time. Even if the throttle stuck, there are so many other computer controls that will kick in (unless turned off or reprogrammed), that still wouldn't lead to an accident. So if it had been a Toyota or other ordinary car? Possible. But that is all but impossible in a Porsche GT. The computers more drive the car than the driver does. A "stuck throttle" would trigger front-to-rear tire sensors, the brakes and transmission to shut it down within milliseconds. I don't think mechanical failure alone could account for this, though could contribute.

    The shop that worked on my CL65 was astonished at the vast array of sensors all feeding computers, and I had no clue how much the computer systems of such cars now do - including for safety. Prior to it, I had a Jaguar XKR (a supercharged version of the XKE). I got rid of it because the computers SO MUCH control over the car for safety's sake it was annoying. Until the CL65 I had no clue that cars had computers that operate the brakes and throttle - like it or not. It can be almost like your just along for the ride. And the failure safeguards even worse. If the computers sense ANYTHING is wrong, they literally shut the car down - and then MAY allow you to limp home in 2nd gear. They do not want either warranty claims on multi-six figure cars nor products liability lawsuits by people rich enough to buy them.

    Supercars are SERIOUSLY programs to STOP IT AND SHUT IT DOWN! if anything goes wrong. That doesn't mean just turning off the motor. It means taking control of the throttle, brakes and suspension while shutting it down. Some actually are starting to even take over steering too.

    Jeremy Clark bought a Ford F40 and immediately came to hate it, because the computer just keep turning the car off sensing something was wrong.

    We also get into the question of if a person goes into a 30 posted curve at 90 in a car that can do it, but blows a tire while doing so and it wrecks, is that accident solely due to mechanical failure? I suppose that would be how someone looks at it.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    I wasn't a fan of his F & F movies, they didn't do a whole lot of for me but i watched some of them numerous times.

    I don't care who they are, actor - non actor - random guy in the street - whatever. Don't mourn if you don't want to but why does it bother people if someone does. It doesn't affect you in any way shape or form.
    It doesn't. Correct. Just making a point that most of this is idol worship and false sympathy.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Every time a celebrity dies and someone posts about it on a message board or Facebook, there's always gotta be THAT guy who posts this, and also THAT OTHER GUY who starts complaining that we're not given soldiers enough respect. You can set your watch by it.
    ...then we also have THAT GUY that shows up to point out all THOSE OTHER GUYS... Yep. I like being this guy because it is interesting to point out all the idiotic idol worship and false sympathy. Mother and baby die in child birth. No story. No sympathy. Some random guy actor dies and it is head lines and people care. Stupid. I am that guy and I love it.
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