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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Computers in cars are a life or death thing.

    Since they control everything, you really have no say in what they do and the older they get, the more dangerous they are.

    Let's say, for example, a car lived around the beach. How much damage will the salty air do to the internals of the computer?
    I live in Florida, and never put an ECM in a car of mine. Within a mile of the beach.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

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    I couldn't agree with you more.




    This in fact, is a very well balanced car for road circuits. I've seen 1g lateral and near 1g decels on the data logger.

    The only downside is it's a bit of a brick when going over rough roads, but hey! the seat IS a suspension component, right?
    VERY NICE. The 944 was the 928's little brother, having exactly half a 928 V8 motor (they used the same heads). I heard that about the suspension of the 944. Good for loosening up the bowels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    LOL. Try working on Brit cars. Then tell me bah humbug.
    That's part of their charm, the Lucas electrical system.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That's part of their charm, the Lucas electrical system.
    Pfffffft 97 grounds per light is not charm.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Pfffffft 97 grounds per light is not charm.
    Ah, but the joy when the light actual comes on and stays on. The feeling of accomplishment!

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    True, and they assure the cars are "throw away" cars. Porsche 928s were truly fabulous and costly cars. They still are very respectable in terms of performance. BUT they were early crude computer cars and their electrical/electronics systems as they age make it so they are constant problems. I had 2 that I bought used for cheap. WONDERFULLY excellent handling for a GT 2+2 and plenty quick with the manual tranny. But something was ALWAYS wrong with them electronically or electrically. A REAL pain in the ass. More than once I was in the garage of a 928 expert tracking down some electrical/electronic issue. Finally I said "to hell with this! I want a car to drive, not to fix." They became known as "trailer babies." (taking them to be fixed) - though their drive train was good for 300,000 miles.

    For cars made today, when their computers die the car will die with it, the way for older cars when you blew the motor or tranny it wasn't worth fixing.
    A flooded car now is always totaled and given a salvage title for the reason you gave. Because the computers now also are safety related, they are never considered safe again.

    BUT the computers give levels of performance and safety that could not exist without them. So the love-hate thing.
    But don't you always have in the back of your mind that it will fail when you are going fast?

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I live in Florida, and never put an ECM in a car of mine. Within a mile of the beach.
    I live in the same type of climate, but when you buy a new car what are you going to do?

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    But don't you always have in the back of your mind that it will fail when you are going fast?
    I recognize that with or without computers the car is beyond my capabilities, nor does the car give me any feedback (including being quiet so no auditory feedback). It's more a hyper speed cruiser rather than a road course car, and the fact is anytime you start pushing the envelope on corners you risk denting up your car - and dent remove on it would be astronomically expensive.

    The computers DO worry me in terms of maintenance, as they also are designed to "protect the car," as car computers do. So if the computers sense something wrong, they'll either stop the car or put it into the "limp mode," ie only allowing 2nd gear and reverse. It's not like you can "limp" it into PepBoys for a quick fix. A total of 194 of these were made, with the total motor/engine management in ANY Mercedes maybe totally just over 1000 for ALL of the 3 years. In addition, this one's primary engine management is after-market, making it even rarer. I replaced 3 of the window rubber moldings. They had to be tracked down and cost right at $1000. I know the engine management computer is nearly $5K from the aftermarket company.

    So I don't worry of it in terms of performance as I'll never push it that hard anyway - because I'm afraid of it overall. The cost and reliability factor does concern me - quite a bit actually. Even in mass produced cars, a non-warranty repair bill for replacing the engine management computer typically is over $2000, and over $3K for new cars.

    When a tow truck driver tried to jump my wife's R350 with a dead battery (not know what he was doing) he fried the main engine computer. Over $3K to fix, and over a week waiting for it to be shipped from Germany.

    The "old cars" are VERY simplistic and cheap to fix. If from the 60s/early 70s, you can buy a whole long block for around $1000 (rebuilt or salvage) and trannies are generally under $500. You can bolt on an out-of-the-box carb for under $500. Do it yourself. Price out a redo on a computer run fuel injection system. Like I've said, the old classics are absolutely cheaper to maintain, to modify and can be more fun to drive, but they aren't as safe, get far worse fuel economy, and do not perform as well.

    Race-track cars are an entirely different set of questions and issues. I'm posting about street legal and comfortable cars. If you want to go really, really, really fast, buy a vintage F1 or drag race car (they're cheap used) and make it street legal. You give up EVERYTHING else, but it will be F A S T.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I live in the same type of climate, but when you buy a new car what are you going to do?
    He is overstating his case. The computers are actually sealed. It's not like there is a PC tower or laptop somewhere under the hood. BOATS now have computer run motors too.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I recognize that with or without computers the car is beyond my capabilities, nor does the car give me any feedback (including being quiet so no auditory feedback). It's more a hyper speed cruiser rather than a road course car, and the fact is anytime you start pushing the envelope on corners you risk denting up your car - and dent remove on it would be astronomically expensive.

    The computers DO worry me in terms of maintenance, as they also are designed to "protect the car," as car computers do. So if the computers sense something wrong, they'll either stop the car or put it into the "limp mode," ie only allowing 2nd gear and reverse. It's not like you can "limp" it into PepBoys for a quick fix. A total of 194 of these were made, with the total motor/engine management in ANY Mercedes maybe totally just over 1000 for ALL of the 3 years. In addition, this one's primary engine management is after-market, making it even rarer. I replaced 3 of the window rubber moldings. They had to be tracked down and cost right at $1000. I know the engine management computer is nearly $5K from the aftermarket company.

    So I don't worry of it in terms of performance as I'll never push it that hard anyway - because I'm afraid of it overall. The cost and reliability factor does concern me - quite a bit actually. Even in mass produced cars, a non-warranty repair bill for replacing the engine management computer typically is over $2000, and over $3K for new cars.

    When a tow truck driver tried to jump my wife's R350 with a dead battery (not know what he was doing) he fried the main engine computer. Over $3K to fix, and over a week waiting for it to be shipped from Germany.

    The "old cars" are VERY simplistic and cheap to fix. If from the 60s/early 70s, you can buy a whole long block for around $1000 (rebuilt or salvage) and trannies are generally under $500. You can bolt on an out-of-the-box carb for under $500. Do it yourself. Price out a redo on a computer run fuel injection system. Like I've said, the old classics are absolutely cheaper to maintain, to modify and can be more fun to drive, but they aren't as safe, get far worse fuel economy, and do not perform as well.

    Race-track cars are an entirely different set of questions and issues. I'm posting about street legal and comfortable cars. If you want to go really, really, really fast, buy a vintage F1 or drag race car (they're cheap used) and make it street legal. You give up EVERYTHING else, but it will be F A S T.
    Or you buy an ariol atom. Stupid fast.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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