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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    There are little custom car shows nearly every weekend here. The old guys finally having the time and money to make their perfect hotrod. Some are 1920s to 1940s classics with hotrod V8s. Some are fully restore 1960s and early 90s' muscle cars. They do their cars to pristine, show car condition. They're plenty cool, though I wouldn't personally want one to drive.

    What always strikes me is how SIMPLE classic cars are under the hood. There's the carb. Screw on air filter. Coil. Spark plug wires. Radiator hose. Alternator and belt. Exhaust manifold or headers. AND THAT'S ALL THERE IS! A simple motor anyone could work on.

    If I take off the motor cover on the MB, there is so many solinoids, little boxes, wires and hoses everywhere, leading to sensors everywhere - and many of those are leading all over the car to the brakes, shocks, transmission, wheels, exhaust, turbos, wastegates, radiator, intercoolers, G-force sensors, even external tire rotation and ground travel sensors, even doors, windows, door locks - all interfaced - that there's no reason to ever take off the engine cover because there is nothing I can roadside or garage determine and fix. And it's state of the art for '05 - approaching a decade old. I can just imagine what the 2015s will be like in technology and complexity.

    I know the same model for 2013 has over 100 interfaced computers. Over 100 computers?!
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    The new direction for ubber performance cars, which now go WAY into 6 figures, is to include reading the road and surroundings, using radar, lasers, road map history, your driving route history and GPS - so when you approach a corner the car knows the corner before you ever come to it - for which it adjusts the suspension, motor, transmission and braking - so you could come into it at almost any speed and computers will take it around the corner as fast as they calculate it can safely go - adjusting and using the brakes, transmission, suspension, even steering and throttle millisecond to millisecond. You're almost just along for the ride almost like a passenger.

    What is in 6 figure cars this year will be in 90% of ordinary new cars probably within 3-5 years.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if you really want to drool, check out this 1953 Jaguar XK120 :

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    broke a speed record at 172 MPH. plus, i mean, just look at it.
    Does nothing for me.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Crude? Yea, sure pal. What you got? I got money I can out run it.
    "Outrun it" by what measure? Mine will do 224 mph. And that's not a pretend 224. Your's?

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are little custom car shows nearly every weekend here. The old guys finally having the time and money to make their perfect hotrod. Some are 1920s to 1940s classics with hotrod V8s. Some are fully restore 1960s and early 90s' muscle cars. They do their cars to pristine, show car condition. They're plenty cool, though I wouldn't personally want one to drive.

    What always strikes me is how SIMPLE classic cars are under the hood. There's the carb. Screw on air filter. Coil. Spark plug wires. Radiator hose. Alternator and belt. Exhaust manifold or headers. AND THAT'S ALL THERE IS! A simple motor anyone could work on.

    If I take off the motor cover on the MB, there is so many solinoids, little boxes, wires and hoses everywhere, leading to sensors everywhere - and many of those are leading all over the car to the brakes, shocks, transmission, wheels, exhaust, turbos, wastegates, radiator, intercoolers, G-force sensors, even external tire rotation and ground travel sensors, even doors, windows, door locks - all interfaced - that there's no reason to ever take off the engine cover because there is nothing I can roadside or garage determine and fix. And it's state of the art for '05 - approaching a decade old. I can just imagine what the 2015s will be like in technology and complexity.

    I know the same model for 2013 has over 100 interfaced computers. Over 100 computers?!
    That is not a good thing, that is a bad thing.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if you really want to drool, check out this 1953 Jaguar XK120 :

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    broke a speed record at 172 MPH. plus, i mean, just look at it.
    THAT is a GORGEOUS CAR!

    The Jag XK120, XK140 and XK150 were definitely watershed cars, considering this was in the 1950s. The number indicated their top speed and those were unheard of that era, particularly in the Jaguar price range.

    That's what I mean in cars that are FUN to drive. For road work you HAD to work the motor, the clutch, motor brake, and you felt like you were FLYING, without having to be going 150 to do it. Jaguar was THE car to beat even in the USA for many years.

    I bought a used 2005 XKR hardtop coupe (a supercharged XKE 4.5 V8) about 3 years ago. Dark Green. Optional wheels. VERY Beautiful. A real head turner eye candy. And got rid of it within 6 months. Absolutely useless back seat there only to meet some EU standard. So restricted on computer controls it couldn't be modified. Before it, I had a Jaguar XKS coupe with a custom front bumper setup, Corvette yellow, someone had dropped a 450 hp BIG block chevy into. Very pro-done. It wasn't really that fast nor handled well, but sounded good and turned heads. It had been parked almost 4 years and I sold it cheap just a few months ago to just get rid of it.

    The classic XKEs - with the straight 6 - are a real thrill to drive. Extraordinary sound. You FEEL the road and almost like you become 1 with the car - a mechanical extension of yourself, and the one-of-a-kind British "personality" each of their true sports cars had. You sit so low you feel like you're really flying.

    The British sports cars of the 50s and 60s is an era never to be repeated, a very special one, just like the American muscle car era that lasted only about 8-9 years was a special time in history never to be repeated. For a "classic," I'd pick such as above (as if I could afford one!) over an American muscle car - other than muscle car would be more affordable to work on.

    No one makes a car to match the aesthetic - from visual to physical senses (sight, sound, feel) of those 1950 and early 60s sports cars. "Driving by the seat of your pants" aesthetics.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it's performance car talk. given that the actor was very much into that kind of stuff, it's relevant.
    Speaking of which . . .

    It was already well known that the Porsche Carrera GT was a very twitchy, very high performance car that was difficult to manage properly, even by professional race car drivers.

    It was originally built for homologation for a racing class that was cancelled before the car was done, so Porsche, in it's infinite wisdom, made it into a road going car, and decided to sell it to the general public, without, unfortunately, stability management software, which is should have had given it's troublesome behavior.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    That is not a good thing, that is a bad thing.
    Computers are always a love-hate thing. LOVE what they can do. HATE how they can screw up and fail. Who would give up their computer? Who hasn't cursed their computer?

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Computers are always a love-hate thing. LOVE what they can do. HATE how they can screw up and fail. Who would give up their computer? Who hasn't cursed their computer?
    Computers in cars are a life or death thing.

    Since they control everything, you really have no say in what they do and the older they get, the more dangerous they are.

    Let's say, for example, a car lived around the beach. How much damage will the salty air do to the internals of the computer?

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Speaking of which . . .

    It was already well known that the Porsche Carrera GT was a very twitchy, very high performance car that was difficult to manage properly, even by professional race car drivers.

    It was originally built for homologation for a racing class that was cancelled before the car was done, so Porsche, in it's infinite wisdom, made it into a road going car, and decided to sell it to the general public, without, unfortunately, stability management software, which is should have had given it's troublesome behavior.

    That is the review of it I saw too. It was a collectable due to being rare, and a showing of "LOOK AT ME! I GOT MONEY!!"

    2005 was a cutting edge year for what are called "hyper" performance cars - and some hyper performance cars were past the edge into the new technology, and some were not (such as "traction control" or as you put it "stability management." "Stability management" not only manages the suspension, but even operates the brakes, motor and transmission. The Carrera GT didn't have it. But it DID have engine management, which he probably had "re-chipped/reprogrammed" to remove torque limitations. That, combined with not having the corresponding stability control interfaced to it, is a deadly shorting.

    The other problem is even skilled race car drivers (as that driver was), were not familiar with the new computer management systems. Because the Carrera GT DID have engine management but did NOT have traction/stability control, it would almost impossible for any driver to know where it's safe maximum operation in cornering is. I wrote quite a bit on another thread how that could get someone into trouble real quick, as I have an '05 German hyper performance car and twice I've punched it when not on a straight line and it instantly went sideways. Fortunately I wasn't going that fast, wasn't trying to corner, was on 4 lanes and no one around me.

    The Carrera GT isn't worth anywhere near what it costs - then or now. Nor THAT rare, but it is a Porsche and there are Porsche fanatics that will pay ANYTHING to have the model they want for the prestige of it. The earliest Porsches aren't all THAT rare and are little more than souped up VWs, but people will pay into 6 figures to have one for the prestige. So many people want that it runs the price thru the ceiling. Even 1980s 911s now bring top dollar - and they weren't that cool - while for a fraction of the $$ a person could buy a Porsche 928 that'd blow the 80s 911s away (except maybe the top turbo models).
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