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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Viper SRT 10 comes in at close to $100k
    Yeah, the top performance Camero, top performance Mustang, top performance Corvette and top performance Chrysler (Viper) all cost $100Kish. A loaf of bread used to cost 50 cents too.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    How much is the Viper in the US?

    In Mexico it costs the equivalent of $100,000 or more.

    That just seems like a lot of money for a death trap, especially on the roads we have here in Mexico. They are horrible.

    If the British Top Gear guys want to look for some of the worst roads in the world, like they did looking for the best, they can come here, but of course they are scared to come here and not because of the cartel violence.
    I wouldn't want a Viper because I don't care how it looks, it is too much of a look-at-me! car, and it's a 2 seater. But I understand why many people would.

    Every review of the Viper is the same conclusion. They are an old school muscle car. Loud interior, rough ride, crude suspension, bad gas mileage, don't handle well by modern standards. Rather, just raw horsepower and torque.

    There are people who want such a car for the sensations of it, and from those reviews probably are a car the more still allows you to "feel" the road and the performance.

    The high performance (used and modified) high tech car my wife gave me is at the other end of the spectrum in terms of chassis, suspension and computer controls - as in all very advanced. Such is superior for performance and can out performance more primitive cars in terms of chassis and suspension (handling) plus definitely very smooth, quiet and comfortable. That is the direction all "performance" cars are going.

    Yet there are drawbacks to these ultra-high tech cars compared to the more crude Viper. The ultra high tech design and computer controls prevent you from feeling the car.

    They also have their own unique dangers, and one Jeremy Clark of the British Top Gear commented on. They are definitely FASTER and MUCH faster in curves and corners. A human can pump the brakes, adjust the suspension, and alter the throttle 600 times per second. At the max, these cars are literally performing beyond human capabilities for the car. So they are "faster." BUT if you are already pushing it beyond the physical traction abilities of the car that even the computer can deal with - you now WILL lose the car and there is no possibility you can recover control. So when they DO wipe out, they wipe out VERY badly and you have lost total control.

    A Viper is more along the lines of an old school American muscle car, more like a 1969 L88 Corvette than a 2013 Ferrari.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Most people can't handle a car with that much power but they buy them anyway.

    When you hit a post sliding sideways, the car rips in half.

    I have never Heard of the Viper being a strong car in any way. Remember they are always looking for ways to lower the weight.
    Ubber high tech performance cars are more powerful than most people can handle, yes. And they are very deceptive in that they are most faster than they "feel." Tire traction limits 0-60 and 1/4th ets in a manner for which they are fast (generally 12 second 1/4ths and low 4 second to high 3 second 0-60 times), but actually relatively they are MUCH faster in terms of if you punch it at 30, 40, 60 mph and then tire traction limitations are not as relevant.

    At those speeds flooring like lighting up a rocket sled - and that is why they get people into so much trouble - particularly in curves. They don't realize that at 40 or 50 mph if they floor it - unless the computers can react fast enough to veto the driver - the back drive tires will break traction and the car will spin out.

    Chrysler design has a lot of carry over of Mercedes Benz performance concepts, which included being heavier. The heavier weight means less need for down force ground effects at super high speeds and overall is safer at extremely high speeds. Since American performance is still a matter of "how fast will it do the quarter mile?" - then for people that matters for they will always wish the car weighed less, plus a lighter weight car will corner faster.

    On the other hand, it is wind resistance, not weight, that becomes the primary obstacle to performance at very high speeds - for which then necessity for down force ground effects body design is more of a handicap than having the car being heavier.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yeah, the top performance Camero, top performance Mustang, top performance Corvette and top performance Chrysler (Viper) all cost $100Kish. A loaf of bread used to cost 50 cents too.
    Learn how to spell Camaro, then we can talk. And there are no 100K Camaros unless you are approved to buy a COPO.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The POINT is that was you posted was completely inaccurate. The Viper as a very torquey motor a production car, more than most even most performance cars costing $200K+

    The reason they were not continued as a truck motor is because in trucks they got extremely bad gas mileage. I was thinking of buying a used older one a couple years back only as a boat towing vehicle, until I looked up the gas mileage it'd get. With a good tailwind and being very gentle on the gas I'd have been lucky to get 6 mpgs while towing.
    Well gee, I guess my certs and 30 years of experience cant hold up to your internet bull****. LOL

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Learn how to spell Camaro, then we can talk. And there are no 100K Camaros unless you are approved to buy a COPO.
    You are correct. The GM $100Ker is the Corvette.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Well gee, I guess my certs and 30 years of experience cant hold up to your internet bull****. LOL
    You know no more about Vipers personally than I do. A couple years ago I looked into the Mopar V10 rather deeply debating whether to buy a used PU with the "Viper" V10 - although the truck engine down tuned. I then read a lot about the Viper in relation to it's motor.

    The Chrysler V10 PUs go cheap compared to Ford and GM's equivalent years hot PUs, due to rotten gas mileage. They have plenty of torque. The numbers speak for themselves.

    You have what I see as an extreme perspective that because you built up your own bracket racer you are now a genius about cars and all things of them. But that would be like someone declaring a marksmen doesn't know as much about firearms because he has a store-bought gun that he had a gunsmith trick out, while the person claiming to be superior makes that claim in knowledge because he built is black powder muzzle loader from an in-the-rough kit that he finished out, or a carpenter saying he knows more about houses than a realtor because he built his own house.

    What type of computer traction control, throttle control and braking control did your bracket racer have? What O2 sensor system did it have? Brand of direct cylinder fuel injection did you use? Computer controlled air-fuel ratio in relation to denotation detectors?
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    the new viper looks pretty badass.


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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the new viper looks pretty badass.

    Too bad Walker wasn't riding in a Viper, then all this Viper talk would be relevant.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Too bad Walker wasn't riding in a Viper, then all this Viper talk would be relevant.
    it's performance car talk. given that the actor was very much into that kind of stuff, it's relevant.

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