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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

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    I guess that makes him a fake actor. He's acting as an actor.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

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    You're proud of yourself for that, aren't you? ��
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The KILL appears by the fire, and a steel bodied car would not so much buckle in the center. That Porsche GT was mostly plastic (composite/graphite) and aluminum.
    From what I have read, Walker was unconscious in the passenger seat and apparently burned to death as they were trying to rescue him with fire extinguishers. Several people had to be detained and later released at the scene who were trying to rescue them as to get them out of the way of the first responders. It is a shame that both of the victims' children were there, though apparently someone tried to keep Walker's daughter at a distance so she could not see what was happening.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I'll never have sympathy or give **** at all about people who wrap themselves around poles or trees or whatnot. You have to really be driving recklessly to do that and I've got no patience for folks putting others in potential danger. Thank goodness they didn't hurt any innocent bystanders.
    Well that is not exactly true, a blow out from a faulty tire could cause this as well as a punctured fuel line to close to a hot electrical part. There are all sorts of tragedies that even excellent drivers cannot change.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In principle I agree with you, only I also think it reasonable to figure the car didn't likely have numerous failures at the same time. Even if the throttle stuck, there are so many other computer controls that will kick in (unless turned off or reprogrammed), that still wouldn't lead to an accident. So if it had been a Toyota or other ordinary car? Possible. But that is all but impossible in a Porsche GT. The computers more drive the car than the driver does. A "stuck throttle" would trigger front-to-rear tire sensors, the brakes and transmission to shut it down within milliseconds. I don't think mechanical failure alone could account for this, though could contribute.

    The shop that worked on my CL65 was astonished at the vast array of sensors all feeding computers, and I had no clue how much the computer systems of such cars now do - including for safety. Prior to it, I had a Jaguar XKR (a supercharged version of the XKE). I got rid of it because the computers SO MUCH control over the car for safety's sake it was annoying. Until the CL65 I had no clue that cars had computers that operate the brakes and throttle - like it or not. It can be almost like your just along for the ride. And the failure safeguards even worse. If the computers sense ANYTHING is wrong, they literally shut the car down - and then MAY allow you to limp home in 2nd gear. They do not want either warranty claims on multi-six figure cars nor products liability lawsuits by people rich enough to buy them.

    Supercars are SERIOUSLY programs to STOP IT AND SHUT IT DOWN! if anything goes wrong. That doesn't mean just turning off the motor. It means taking control of the throttle, brakes and suspension while shutting it down. Some actually are starting to even take over steering too.

    Jeremy Clark bought a Ford F40 and immediately came to hate it, because the computer just keep turning the car off sensing something was wrong.

    We also get into the question of if a person goes into a 30 posted curve at 90 in a car that can do it, but blows a tire while doing so and it wrecks, is that accident solely due to mechanical failure? I suppose that would be how someone looks at it.
    I think I read this was a brand new car which means the driver had very little experience driving it.

    Lack of experience can be very deadly, especially if you are trying to show off to the star of the F & F franchise. I am not saying that is what happened here, but it is very likely.

    Who here can say they wouldn't have wanted to do the same? I mean car guys, not the people that only know where the key goes.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No. I will stay. Thanks... he was in that movie with Jessica Alba in her bikini all movie... Into the Deep. That one was cool . The F&F were stupid beyond belief. If people don't like my deuce and a half, thank you very much, then don't post on the world wide web.
    I think this is a bigger story because of the way he died.

    If he would have overdosed, like so many other celebs, there wouldn't be so much coverage, but he has been in 5, so far, movies with this same kind of driving.

    I am not sure if his the irony is the speeding car or that he wasn't driving.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I get what you are saying. These low production ubber performance cars are a double edged sword. They do allow a 100% maximum the car can do more than other cars. The computers allow you to do what no other cars can do and that's great. But even without mechanical or electronic failure, if you take that car past that absolute ability level, you will lose the car far worse than other cars - and at a much higher speed. Mechanical/computer/electric failure also would be a disastrous too.

    The car I have had all limiters removed and SERIOUS power upgrading the obviously super rich first owner. The car has the capability to go 224 miles per hour. Worthless in any usage sense, but impressive. However, the car being capable of doing 224 mph doesn't mean the tires can do 224 mph. I'm sure than can't. They've been on it too long nor are rated for it. So, really, how fast it can go is as fast as it's going - immediately before I died.

    A trivia fact? The tires on the $2 million dollar Bugatti Veyron cost $70,000 dollars to replace, and they MUST be replaced every 2rd high speed run - and they recommend only 1. You can't even go for 250 mph unless the computer has been told the tires are fresh. Before you can take the car to just over 200 mph, you have to completely stop the car, change the mode it's in, and then the computers will do a diagnosis of the car, DROP it's rear air foil, drop the car down and ONLY then will the car decide it will even allow you to try to go that fast.

    Personally, for performance fun driving, I preferred the lesser, ordinary cars. They're are fun without the radical g forces, intensity, and fear factors. Plus you don't get to as fast as you dare go without risking a ticket that would destroy you - in about 6 seconds from a standing stop. What I have will get to 60 in just a tad over 3 seconds, and that is limited due to tire hook up problems from a start. It will hit 100 in just over 6 seconds. Insane. Unusable. Unpleasant. An old sports car with a manual tranny straining thru the gears is more fun, though less than half as fast. I always thought I'd love the performance of a super car. Candidly, I don't.

    I really would like to know what all they find in the accident, but doubt those details will be published. I bet Porsche is going to crawl all over that car. Whether this will help or hurt Porsche sales is up in the air. It could make that model desirable as a collectable, like Porsche speedsters the same as James Dean was driving can be worth millions. Or it could make them seem like lemons.
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    You know what is even more Ironic than him having played in movies about street racing?

    He also was the star of a movie called "Joy Ride"............................
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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    From what I have read, Walker was unconscious in the passenger seat and apparently burned to death as they were trying to rescue him with fire extinguishers. Several people had to be detained and later released at the scene who were trying to rescue them as to get them out of the way of the first responders. It is a shame that both of the victims' children were there, though apparently someone tried to keep Walker's daughter at a distance so she could not see what was happening.
    For what that car cost, it should have come with its own fire truck.

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    Re: Reported Paul Walker of Fast and Furios fame dead at 40.

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Wrong.

    Body construction was carbon fiber.

    This is not 'plastic'.

    'Plastic' is not used in automotive frame / body construction.

    "Graphite" is carbon fiber and epoxy, the resin used for graphite and fiberglass, is plastic.

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